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Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Love it, not even FIFA can control FFP, they investigate, make a decision, lawyers get involved and then back track.
It's so easy for clubs like PSG, Emirates Marketing Project, and Chelsea to spend enough to stay ahead of the curve, they just amass silly inflated sponsorship deals from parent companies
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Yet the likes of @DubaiSpur Put all their frustration at the door of our owners who are not amazing, not terrible, just decent. What ENIC have done is given us a little leg up with increased revenue. We’ve narrowed the financial gap but the gap is still there. What I find amazing is the hours and hours on bitching from DubaiSpurs and others. They are not doing anything positive for Spurs. Not even directing their energies towards the real problem - oil money - they are just armchair critiques which are off the mark.
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
He is entitled to his opinion mate as you are yours. Some bitch at the owners, some the chairman, some the players, some the ticket prices ... its all part of the package.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
I find the confidence that a new owner/chairman will be better than what we have strange.
There seems to be some fans that think we've been run terribly under Levy and somehow improved despite Levy (and despite two teams with massive financial investment to add to the polarizing effect at the top from CL and other things).
Most of the critics of Levy though at least see the clear positives, see him as decent, average at the very least overall.
A new owner and chairman is at best a roll of the dice. Can only hope when a sale happens Levy and Lewis have the best interests of the club in their thinking.
There seems to be some fans that think we've been run terribly under Levy and somehow improved despite Levy (and despite two teams with massive financial investment to add to the polarizing effect at the top from CL and other things).
Most of the critics of Levy though at least see the clear positives, see him as decent, average at the very least overall.
A new owner and chairman is at best a roll of the dice. Can only hope when a sale happens Levy and Lewis have the best interests of the club in their thinking.
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
I think Levy has done great to get the club to where it is, but due to his means of operating I think he's been at the club for too long and it's time for new owners to build on a solid platform built by Levy.
His philosophy of matters on the pitch have generally been a let down, off the pitch amazing.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
I didn't say he wasn't entitled to an opinion. The point is, all that intelligence and application directed into a wasted space. When it could be targeted at the genuine problem - unfairness in sport with oil-doped clubs hoovering up most trophies. Instead of trying to hound people who work daily to try to elevate Spurs, why not do something positive themselves like setup a petition, or an argument/movement against the oil dopped clubs? I just find negativity which is not constructive a total waste. Especially when it's misdirected.
glasgowspur
Nayim
You're 100% correct, he is entitled to his opinion.
I would argue though he is not entitled to insult them.
Grifter and deadweight are not justified.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Paul Walsh
Moaning about owners is endemic in "football fans", clubs who have years of CL money like Liverpool, United and Woolwich have spent years moaning about their owners and new money Chelsea and City sit comfortable with their ignore the rules owners. Some of our fans appear not to be interested in football rather winning things at all cost with someone else's money no matter what it take. One thing for sure there will be moaning what ever happens.
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
If that's how he feels then so be it.
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
So we are moaning about moaning?
RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
I am not an armchair critic
I have had a season ticket since 1991 first with my dad and sister, then with friends and now with my son
I’ve been to watch spurs in five finals (including the champions league final), two of which we have won
Nine semi finals by my count( including champions league and excluding league cups) one of which we have won( against Ajax)
I’ve travelled up from uni in Southampton to watch us lose a third round cup tie against Saudi Sportswashing Machine 6-1 under George Graham I think?
I am well within my rights to criticise ENIC who fail to show me any coherent strategy to help us real the glass ceiling, you may think they are decent, I don’t.
I think they see a loyal fan base and a decent money making vehicle for themselves.
Portraying the real problem as Oil Money just simplifies everything, we would have won it all if Abramovich or Sheikh Mansour hadn’t turned up!
Yet they still continue to charge the same sky high ticket prices whilst our stock falls lower.
tbh I would rather you be right about ENIC but I fail to see any substance in your argument against the hard evidence of the team’s achievements under ENIC over a 21 year period.
But you go on criticising other fans for having an opinion that may differ from yours
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
I think a little balance is needed at times in our views but it's all good to have both and all sides of the fence.
I for one think Levy and Enic have done a great job off the field in building the club, as is their priority to fatten the goose ready to flog at the highest price. Hence their main focus.
Meanwhile their shortcomings for matters on the pitch leave much to be desired, but again it highlights that it's not really their main focus in winning trophies, which I feel it should be, being a football club.
Under their tenure, we will never be successful on the pitch and the results show that.
It's great for them to sell the club, having built it up for someone else to invest on the pitch as required, as everything else is now in place.
Unless they change their strategy for the footballing matters i just can't see how the last 20 years strategy will pay off unless we get super lucky. And I'm afraid I feel ENIC are happy riding the money hoping to get lucky once in a while.
I for one think Levy and Enic have done a great job off the field in building the club, as is their priority to fatten the goose ready to flog at the highest price. Hence their main focus.
Meanwhile their shortcomings for matters on the pitch leave much to be desired, but again it highlights that it's not really their main focus in winning trophies, which I feel it should be, being a football club.
Under their tenure, we will never be successful on the pitch and the results show that.
It's great for them to sell the club, having built it up for someone else to invest on the pitch as required, as everything else is now in place.
Unless they change their strategy for the footballing matters i just can't see how the last 20 years strategy will pay off unless we get super lucky. And I'm afraid I feel ENIC are happy riding the money hoping to get lucky once in a while.
There is being critical and there is being toxic… you are being toxic.
plus you know…
You don’t like something that bad,do something tangible about it - raise the money and buy the club.
i think Daniel does care about the club, you don’t dedicate 20 years to something where you had the connections and talent to make more money elsewhere unless you care.
if their was a fund to buy some equity in the club I would probably put some money in, but if it was going to be substantial… I would want to ensure that Daniel stays on as part of my decision to invest.
RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
wasn’t it you that posted the
“organic growth” song???
hardly constructive criticism is it?
Like I said toxic.
RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
For me, the end-game in terms of my support for ENIC (or maybe my tolerance would be a better term - I 'support' my club) starts now I think. We are the other side of covid, and I really believe we need to see a good two years of the new stadium in action to see how the football club benefits. This is what was supposed to help elevate us, so let's give it a chance to produce, in my view. We do need to get that naming rights deal in place, as that will relieve some of the debt repayment obligations.
To go through all the years of frugality with the stadium build, to throw everything out now, feels wrong to me. If at the end of that period it does not feel* that we are in a better position then I will find it harder to justify the current set-up.
*Admittedly at this stage I don't know quite what my criteria would be to make that judgement.
I also agree with the post from @DTA that came in whilst I was typing this one - I do believe that Levy wants footballing success for the club, but he does have a very cautious approach to achieving it, and I don't think his MO is going to change significantly. Not necessarily a bad thing but this is why I am putting faith in the next couple of years to bring about the security in the club finances/revenues that will allow us to improve, even within the confines of Levy's operating model.
As for Lewis, no, I don't think he particularly cares about footballing success at all.
To go through all the years of frugality with the stadium build, to throw everything out now, feels wrong to me. If at the end of that period it does not feel* that we are in a better position then I will find it harder to justify the current set-up.
*Admittedly at this stage I don't know quite what my criteria would be to make that judgement.
I also agree with the post from @DTA that came in whilst I was typing this one - I do believe that Levy wants footballing success for the club, but he does have a very cautious approach to achieving it, and I don't think his MO is going to change significantly. Not necessarily a bad thing but this is why I am putting faith in the next couple of years to bring about the security in the club finances/revenues that will allow us to improve, even within the confines of Levy's operating model.
As for Lewis, no, I don't think he particularly cares about footballing success at all.
Who said it was a master plan? It ensures the long term security of the club without any outside investment.
Is that not a good place to be in?
I know you want your trophy now and are only interested in a sugar daddy that can provide that, but there's only so many of them to go around...