Cristian Romero

[braineclipse]

We've seen Bissouma receive those passes and lose the ball immediately the same with Bergvall, Gray I don't think we've seen him dispossessed like that. Bentancur definitely as well. So if we are going to attempt those kinds of passes, then yes we do need to up the technique level of the squad. I'd argue though that it was a relatively high risk pass for a potential low reward. If Sarr's body shape had been side on the pass would have made more sense, but facing his own goal. Once he gets the ball he's only ever going to pass it back from where it came from, a bit pointless really. PSG had some really good moments playing out from the back, somewhat show how its done but even they did cough it up for Muani's second goal.

Everyone will mess it up sometimes in a situation like that. Even Vitinha. And yes, our players too. It's a question of frequency imo.

If the alternative becomes being easy to press and always being forced long I prefer the risk of sometimes losing the ball. That will include sometimes playing the wrong pass.

But a difference between playing that pass to Sarr and playing it to Gray for example. But if our midfielders are just incapable of that, or the risk becomes really high because the frequency at which they're unable to deal with it I guess buy a massive target man striker or get better midfielders.

 

[braineclipse]

I’m not sure it’s anywhere near as good a pass as you think
And also he is receiving it whilst having someone behind him and also in front of him
The pass would need to be amazing which it wasn’t
And his movement would too
Bergvall would have tried to turn with it for example

I'm not saying it's a great pass. I'm saying it looks to me fine enough. I'd expect most midfielders at this level to be able to deal with that pass without losing it the majority of the time.

It's a pass we've started looking for and playing more recently from what I've seen. Alternative is to just bypass the centre of midfield when we're pressed, shift it wide or hoof it. I don't like that. It becomes so utterly predictable and fairly easy to defend against.

 

[Bishop]

Everyone will mess it up sometimes in a situation like that. Even Vitinha. And yes, our players too. It's a question of frequency imo.

If the alternative becomes being easy to press and always being forced long I prefer the risk of sometimes losing the ball. That will include sometimes playing the wrong pass.

But a difference between playing that pass to Sarr and playing it to Gray for example. But if our midfielders are just incapable of that, or the risk becomes really high because the frequency at which they're unable to deal with it I guess buy a massive target man striker or get better midfielders.

I think the answer is to get better midfielders. If you think back to Xavi or Modric of many of those style deeper playmakers, its rare that they coughed up the ball if ever. A lot of that was down to better movement and awareness of the space and their surroundings, but when they were pressed their technique was just that high level that they could pretty much always keep the ball away from the presser. You do have to add that a lot of the time the passer themselves were arguably better passers than Romero or at least smarter with those passes.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think the answer is to get better midfielders. If you think back to Xavi or Modric of many of those style deeper playmakers, its rare that they coughed up the ball if ever. A lot of that was down to better movement and awareness of the space and their surroundings, but when they were pressed their technique was just that high level that they could pretty much always keep the ball away from the presser. You do have to add that a lot of the time the passer themselves were arguably better passers than Romero or at least smarter with those passes.

Your talking about best one world level and players that didn’t really exist today apart form maybe Vitinha and Modric still
None in the prem hence how we caught out Zubamendi who is elite with the same kind of thing
Key is the team without the ball have to be aggressive

 

[Bishop]

Your talking about best one world level and players that didn’t really exist today apart form maybe Vitinha and Modric still
None in the prem hence how we caught out Zubamendi who is elite with the same kind of thing
Key is the team without the ball have to be aggressive

Thats the level required to play out of the back securely. City could do it for a while also but they again had De Bruyne, Yaya, Rodri, both Silvas, Gundogan etc. Thats the reality of it, if you want to play out of the back securely you need best in the world quality at least in terms of technique. Otherwise, you will cough up the ball fairly regularly, as we see in the PL pretty much every weekend.

 

[glasgowspur]

Is it too much to ask for our midfielders to receive the ball in a situation like that? Sarr was showing for it, had a yard on the opposition player when it was passed IIRC.

Perhaps Romero should know better and only play that pass if the receiving player is Gray? Or can he play that pass to Bergvall? Bentancur? Palhinha? An on form Bissouma has no issues receiving that pass.

If that pass is too much for our midfielders to handle we need different midfielders imo.

Yes it is.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Thats the level required to play out of the back securely. City could do it for a while also but they again had De Bruyne, Yaya, Rodri, both Silvas, Gundogan etc. Thats the reality of it, if you want to play out of the back securely you need best in the world quality at least in terms of technique. Otherwise, you will cough up the ball fairly regularly, as we see in the PL pretty much every weekend.

It’s Regular in that it happens once a game, but it’s also how we got the 3rd goal last night.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Well, we'll find out how we do without his errors on Saturday night, eh

 

[billyiddo]

Well, we'll find out how we do without his errors on Saturday night, eh

Is he suspended?

 

[Mikey10]

Is he suspended?

Either that or @glorygloryeze isn’t confident in Romero’s ability to find his way successfully out of the tunnel.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

5 bookings
He got booked on Sunday for correcting the ref

 

[thfcsteff]

There are many angles to the Romero moments. That first one has been covered well here, albeit whatever other players contributed, the error sits on Romero's shoulders and he needed to either do better or simplky be more decisive than he was. I think the period of time after that is worrying. He allowed his 'tempestuous' self to rise, charging around with a bit less control, giving away unecessary high fouls, and the ball he gives away on the left hand touchline which led to the corner/goal is an awful lack of focus again where he chooses the worst possible option when two other simple ones are available and safe. He is our captain so I hold him to a higher standard, and at 2-1 -or even 2-2- I want calmer and smarter. At the very least, if he receives a ball in a position he is uncomfortable in, just smash it out and reorganise. I am all up for high risk passing in areas where it makes sense. Neither of these decisions made sense. And as skipper he has to see that...