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Celtic Fans
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Naughton16
Clive Wilson
Are they part of the UK, have they built 60k+ stadiums, and achieved European sucess despite of their relatively weak domestic league?
The precedent is there with Cardiff and Swansea for non-English clubs in UK tbf.
Naughton16
Clive Wilson
Again, I don't see how that's a valid argument when their are 2 clubs from other UK nations here already.
Danners9
Luke Young
The original comment compares Wigan (3rd bottom) and Spurs (5th) to Celtic. Celtic fan suggests their team would have both in their pocket, there's a big difference between 17th and 5th over a season. Spurs just beat the reigning champions while Celtic lost to Ross County. That's delusion.
The argument about why they should not be allowed in is twofold. One it kills the domestic league in Scotland, and 2 why should they start in the top division in England. Neither of which are hard to argue against at all. The other clubs in Scotland depend(ed) on Celtic and Rangers as the main draw in their TV deals and their attendances, as well as being top of the food chain for buying domestic players. With Rangers gone, but coming back in time, it leaves Celtic as a medium sized fish in a smaller pond. They haven't done anything to deserve a place in the top English league, as well as not actually being English (the Welsh teams were invited in at a time when the leagues were being formed and Wales as a whole couldn't sustain a league of its own), and joining a new league puts teams who have earned their way into the division under threat. Sorry, no Playoffs this year because Celtic are taking your place. That's a whole season down the tubes.
Danners9
Luke Young
Urgh. It's not a precedent at all. Read about why those teams, and Wrexham, are allowed in.
Not sure if the Celtic fan regularly watches the PL or has taken this game in isolation. They would not walk the PL, but don't most agree the PL standard has been poor this year.
If the popularity and cash that flows into the premier league starts to drop, think thats when
the Scudamore and the clubs may be more receptive to Rangers and Celtic joining
If the popularity and cash that flows into the premier league starts to drop, think thats when
the Scudamore and the clubs may be more receptive to Rangers and Celtic joining
Naughton16
Clive Wilson
The important point is that Uefa are satified with how the arrangement works under the current system.
Wriggly
Banned
One off cup games ? anyone can win, they beat Barca ffs, that mean they are better ? lol. Huge club ? yeah in name only. Much bigger worldwide ? In the past yeah, but still very well known, means fudge all. We do have respect, but not for the deluded.
That's how Liverpool fans think it should be as well. Liverpool should just have turn and everyone else would simply bow down to their superiority.
It's similar to how Championship teams occasionally knock PL sides out of the cup. They compensate for their lack of skill by running around like madmen, while the other side aren't properly motivated. Celtic's performances in the CL are some of the worst football you'll ever see. It's the epitome of parking the bus.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I don't think that is fair to say. I've seen them play some fairly decent stuff against good opposition in the CL. Yes they are raising their game and compensating with a bit more effort but they do try to play attractive football.
For me they are mid to lower PL standard when motivated, which is happening less often now that Rangers are out of the picture.
Danners9
Luke Young
The football league predates UEFA by nearly 60 years. Cardiff and Swansea predate UEFA by 40/50 years. UEFA had no choice but to accept it.
These teams were invited in during formation of the league, at a time when the English FA wielded so much power it was not possible for FIFA/UEFA to do anything about it.
This is the key when using the Welsh teams as an example for Celtic and Rangers.
Celtic and ranger were to enter premiership with English tv money they'd be top half no doubt.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
only if they spend it wisely, size of support and gate receipts are pretty inconsequential these days imo
obviously they'd struggle with the initial gulf in quality if they were to move to the premiership. but long term they'd have everything needed to become one of the elite clubs - it'd be a huge kick in the gonad*s for ourselves should they ever be allowed to make the switch.
Being part of the UK is irrelevant. As far as FIFA is concerned, we are four different countries.
The Welsh clubs playing in England is NOT a precedent. Completely different circumstances.
Not really.
Sure, there are loads of Scottish and Irish ex pats or second / third generation fans around the world. But, in global terms, their number is but a drop in the ocean.
They also have a massive fan base in Scotland, of course. But they play in the SPL. And the world isn't remotely interested in the SPL. So other than temporarily, because of a player like Nakamura, for instance, Celtic don't attract significant support in Asia, Europe or Africa.
By contrast, Spurs play in the Premier League - the most popular domestic league in world football, which enjoys a phenomenal global profile. And Spurs is one of the biggest and most exciting of Premier League clubs. Our global fan base is consequently growing rapidly.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I don't see why. Why would they be bigger draws/more equipped to succeed in the EPL than say the two Sheffield teams, or the two Bristol teams? All three have populations not far off the 500,000 mark and no other EPL team anywhere near by.