Yeah crazy to get 2 of the clubs coaches sat in the stand giving an opinion. HR is a strong manager and will make a decision, if they actually are giving an opinion I'm glad we have a manager who will let others talk. The biggest failures in management are the ones who refuse to change (ie George Graham didn't adapt his tactics for the modern game).
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Bond, Ferdinand,Jordan & Sherwood
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Yeah crazy to get 2 of the clubs coaches sat in the stand giving an opinion. HR is a strong manager and will make a decision, if they actually are giving an opinion I'm glad we have a manager who will let others talk. The biggest failures in management are the ones who refuse to change (ie George Graham didn't adapt his tactics for the modern game).
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
He can have a view. We all saw them when they were working for Setanta. They were all cliches and flimflam.
Put it this way, they would have fudge all chance at getting a job at United or Arsenal.
rosenthal
Sebastien Bassong
Ferguson has recruited inexperienced former players to coaching roles before, Brian McClair and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
Steve Bould has been taken in under Wenger's wings, worked with youth and his coaching badges, rumoured to be assistant manager next season.
I don't see the problem, it's not like Sherwood and Ferdinand are senior coaching staff at our club.
Ferdinand is hardly involved, guess him being visable at games annoys some people ...
Sherwood is working with youngsters and building experience
tommysvr
Justin Edinburgh
=D>
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Excellent post by chancer.
I don't see any real way fans can evaluate the performance of individual coaches unless through contacts withing the playing or coaching staff at Spurs. For some more experienced coaches that have had time to build a reputation that in time might have converged on something somewhat close to the truth some things might be said, but for those that haven't been coaches for long I can't see how anyone can make comments about their abilities.
I don't see any real way fans can evaluate the performance of individual coaches unless through contacts withing the playing or coaching staff at Spurs. For some more experienced coaches that have had time to build a reputation that in time might have converged on something somewhat close to the truth some things might be said, but for those that haven't been coaches for long I can't see how anyone can make comments about their abilities.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Yes but they're club legends. Ferdinand and Sherwood are just some geezers that happened to play for the club. I'd understand if Ferdinand was at QPR and Sherwood Blackburn.
Garth Crooks
Andy Turner
Agreed.
I would also add that it actually pays to take on 4or5 ex-players with the potential to become good homegrown managers, rather than buying a proven coach for millions, and usually a hefty compensation deal for the ex-club. Remember Ramos!
Even if only one of the five comes good it is still cheaper. Remember Jol was brought in as an assistant to Santini. He done good as far as im concerned.
You can make similar comparisons with players.
Everyone wants to buy em young and promising. Lennon - 1m, Walker - 1m(?).
Even with all the young playera that didnt work out - better than 15m Bentley.
Harry_Perkins
Ben Thatcher
This reminds me of the nonesense that used to get talked about Chris Hughton. At one point, he was getting blamed for years of midtable finishes under several different managers, who had several different assistants of their own (apart from Jol). John Gorman, Stewart Housten, that fella who was assistant to Francis whose name I can't even remember! All forgotten about. Hughton was the common thread to all our failures, apparently! Even when it started to go wrong for Jol, it was Hughton along with Comolli and Levy who bore the brunt. Nevermind Hughton was also there when it was going well under Jol. Then off he went to Saudi Sportswashing Machine and did well and is doing well again now at Birmingham. Fact is, like with Hughton, you really have no idea if Sherwood or Ferdinand are any good or not. "They don't like right in the directors box" you wot? And then you have the nerve to say they're thick! :lol:
colin fishwick
Reto Ziegler
Well it has not worked at any PL club ever, there has never been home grown player, who has gone on to be a good manager.
There is no comparison between Fergie and Redknapp. Fergie has earned the right to bring in who he chooses. Utd can indulge him, if he wants to help out a couple of ex players.
Can't see them sitting in the directors box giving messages on match days.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Who should bring in assistants and coaches if not the manager?
I some times start to wonder what the players actually do in training. For most of the season we've been truly excellent, and we usually dominate most games. But we seldom win games comfortably, even though we have plenty of possesion and chances.
According to Opta we've had 220 shots on target this season (up to the last game), and we've scored 63 goals. Emirates Marketing Project by comparison has had 227 shots on target and scored 88 goals. I often think that we've made opposing keepers look better than they actually are by poor finishing, and these stats (to some extent) backs up these feelings.
If you look at the corner and free kick stats things get even worse. Stats from March the 24th shows that we had had 124 corners since the last time we scored, and no goals. On sunday we had 19 corners and hardly produced anything at all.
According to the same stats we hadn't scored on a free kick since January the 1st 2011, and a direct free kick since January the 26th 2010!
In the latest edition of the Norwegian Spurs magazine there is an interview with Niko, and at the end he's asked if there is any focus put on dead ball situations in training. His simple answer? "-No."
To this he's asked why, and the answer is: "-I'm not the coach."
"But you do see that there could be a few goals in it?", and the answer is: "-Again, I'm not he coach. I'm just a player doing my job"
All of this leads back to my opening. What do the players, and coaches, actually do in training? Surely they must all be aware of this. I find it truly amazing that a club at such a high level actually don't practise these things much. Is free kicks and corners something players at other clubs train on in their spare time? I think not...
According to Opta we've had 220 shots on target this season (up to the last game), and we've scored 63 goals. Emirates Marketing Project by comparison has had 227 shots on target and scored 88 goals. I often think that we've made opposing keepers look better than they actually are by poor finishing, and these stats (to some extent) backs up these feelings.
If you look at the corner and free kick stats things get even worse. Stats from March the 24th shows that we had had 124 corners since the last time we scored, and no goals. On sunday we had 19 corners and hardly produced anything at all.
According to the same stats we hadn't scored on a free kick since January the 1st 2011, and a direct free kick since January the 26th 2010!
In the latest edition of the Norwegian Spurs magazine there is an interview with Niko, and at the end he's asked if there is any focus put on dead ball situations in training. His simple answer? "-No."
To this he's asked why, and the answer is: "-I'm not the coach."
"But you do see that there could be a few goals in it?", and the answer is: "-Again, I'm not he coach. I'm just a player doing my job"
All of this leads back to my opening. What do the players, and coaches, actually do in training? Surely they must all be aware of this. I find it truly amazing that a club at such a high level actually don't practise these things much. Is free kicks and corners something players at other clubs train on in their spare time? I think not...
mick cooper
Neil Sullivan
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
I dunno about the others but I'd say Joe Jordan is exactly what you need in the dugout to get in the face of the fourth official. And opposition, him going head to head with Gattuso had as much to do with us nudging out Milan last year as Crouchies tap in.
Crawley
Board Legend
colin fishwick
Reto Ziegler
Quite right, we'd be 3rd if they'd listened to me.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I was waiting for one of these threads, it makes me nostalgic for the "what does Chris Hughton do?" threads that we always used to get when we hit a poor run of form under Jol.
The choice of coaches should be the sole decision of the manager, who should be able to choose whoever they want to support them. If Redknapp left and a new manager and coaching team replaced them, we would have exactly the same thread started when we first had a bad run of results.
The choice of coaches should be the sole decision of the manager, who should be able to choose whoever they want to support them. If Redknapp left and a new manager and coaching team replaced them, we would have exactly the same thread started when we first had a bad run of results.
milo
Jack L. Jones
We'd be very disappointed to miss out on automatic promotion
WookieD
Didier Zokora
You can only go off what's out in front of you I guess.
Jordan - Ended Gatusso - win
Ferdinand - Our strikers languished and Pav died a slow tortuous public death whilst he was putting in his input. None of our strikers have improved - fail
Sherwood - Aside from a clerical error in the NextGen he did well for us. Attribute coaching of the kids to Inglethorpe but from results he's done well - win
Bond - The invisible man out the group imo, if we assume that Jordan does most of the coaching then I'm not entirely sure what an assistant manager is for. If its helping with tactics then maybe not so good - not really sure
I some times start to wonder what the players actually do in training. For most of the season we've been truly excellent, and we usually dominate most games. But we seldom win games comfortably, even though we have plenty of possesion and chances.
According to Opta we've had 220 shots on target this season (up to the last game), and we've scored 63 goals. Emirates Marketing Project by comparison has had 227 shots on target and scored 88 goals. I often think that we've made opposing keepers look better than they actually are by poor finishing, and these stats (to some extent) backs up these feelings.
If you look at the corner and free kick stats things get even worse. Stats from March the 24th shows that we had had 124 corners since the last time we scored, and no goals. On sunday we had 19 corners and hardly produced anything at all.
According to the same stats we hadn't scored on a free kick since January the 1st 2011, and a direct free kick since January the 26th 2010!
In the latest edition of the Norwegian Spurs magazine there is an interview with Niko, and at the end he's asked if there is any focus put on dead ball situations in training. His simple answer? "-No."
To this he's asked why, and the answer is: "-I'm not the coach."
"But you do see that there could be a few goals in it?", and the answer is: "-Again, I'm not he coach. I'm just a player doing my job"
All of this leads back to my opening. What do the players, and coaches, actually do in training? Surely they must all be aware of this. I find it truly amazing that a club at such a high level actually don't practise these things much. Is free kicks and corners something players at other clubs train on in their spare time? I think not...
According to Opta we've had 220 shots on target this season (up to the last game), and we've scored 63 goals. Emirates Marketing Project by comparison has had 227 shots on target and scored 88 goals. I often think that we've made opposing keepers look better than they actually are by poor finishing, and these stats (to some extent) backs up these feelings.
If you look at the corner and free kick stats things get even worse. Stats from March the 24th shows that we had had 124 corners since the last time we scored, and no goals. On sunday we had 19 corners and hardly produced anything at all.
According to the same stats we hadn't scored on a free kick since January the 1st 2011, and a direct free kick since January the 26th 2010!
In the latest edition of the Norwegian Spurs magazine there is an interview with Niko, and at the end he's asked if there is any focus put on dead ball situations in training. His simple answer? "-No."
To this he's asked why, and the answer is: "-I'm not the coach."
"But you do see that there could be a few goals in it?", and the answer is: "-Again, I'm not he coach. I'm just a player doing my job"
All of this leads back to my opening. What do the players, and coaches, actually do in training? Surely they must all be aware of this. I find it truly amazing that a club at such a high level actually don't practise these things much. Is free kicks and corners something players at other clubs train on in their spare time? I think not...