American politics

[MartyFunkhouser]

Rename this thread Israeli/American politics thread..

Its the same thing

With Epstein and now Iran it would be harder to find a prominent right/conservative US media figure that’s not been massively critical of Trump. Fox News still tows the line and Ben Shapiros viewership has tanked.

Which is great

Most normal people knew he was a demented racist sex case before this year, shame no one else clocked on in th3 relevant numbers before that.

I get being hoodwinked by some people but Trumps politics, me talking state and absolute cnutish level of humanity has been well known and documented for decades.

 

[robp135]

Its the same thing



Which is great

Most normal people knew he was a demented racist sex case before this year, shame no one else clocked on in th3 relevant numbers before that.

I get being hoodwinked by some people but Trumps politics, me talking state and absolute cnutish level of humanity has been well known and documented for decades.

Trumps success has alway been mainly due to the Democrats inability to read the room and push forward with wildly unpopular candidates and policys.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Trumps success has alway been mainly due to the Democrats inability to read the room and push forward with wildly unpopular candidates and policys.

And thick cnuts who voted for someone who has been morally corrupt for the last 40 years plus. I dont buy the "its all then opposition ls fault" that seems to be the excuse made for swamper KKK types rising to the fore, rather than acknowledging racist and morally corrupt cnuts got the messiah they craved.

Sometimes its also as much to do with people like Rogan and the religious nuts realising and exposing who they were dealing with at the start rather than sucking at his teet of power.

There is an element of blame on the oppo, but its nowhere near the balance made out.

 

[robp135]

And thick cnuts who voted for someone who has been morally corrupt for the last 40 years plus. I dont buy the "its all then opposition ls fault" that seems to be the excuse made for swamper KKK types rising to the fore, rather than acknowledging racist and morally corrupt cnuts got the messiah they craved.

Sometimes its also as much to do with people like Rogan and the religious nuts realising and exposing who they were dealing with at the start rather than sucking at his teet of power.

There is an element of blame on the oppo, but its nowhere near the balance made out.

2016 was absolutely a rejection of Hilary Clinton. 2024 they ran a unelected candidate.

The US election is decided by about half a million people across 4/5 states. They are not getting swayed by Joe Rogan.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

2016 was absolutely a rejection of Hilary Clinton. 2024 they ran a unelected candidate.

The US election is decided by about half a million people across 4/5 states. They are not getting swayed by Joe Rogan.

So its the opposition fault he was elected as the republican candidate??

Were you vocal agaisnt his potential election or did you just take it on the chin blaming the opposition?

The post about Joe Rogan is re: to all trunps initial supporter are now running for the hills after being massive supporters, the damage with their viewership and conspiracy theory supporters was done years ago. If you dont think Rogan Tucker and the fat headed Sandy Hook cnut impacted results then you are just dumb.

Joe Rogan has 11m followers

Tucker 22m

Jones 4m

Don't tell me with a straight face these idiots didnt influence votes with their bile.

Means nothing now coming back saying "we were wrong" whilst blaming the left.

Take some ownership that maybe his supporters got if fcuking wrong

 

[Rorschach]

All the cnuts turning against him

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I see Melania has piped up out of the blue and said she never had an affair with Epstein. I guess she had an affair with Epstein. Or is it to distract from the Iran fiasco?

 

[thfcsteff]

2016 was absolutely a rejection of Hilary Clinton. 2024 they ran a unelected candidate.

The US election is decided by about half a million people across 4/5 states. They are not getting swayed by Joe Rogan.

I think there's considerably more...

By 2016, the public had been weaponised against any notion of critical -or reasonable- thinking via a sophisticated realisation (and weaponization) of social media as the direct route to people. Furthermore, the understanding that attention spans were short and meme culture/sloganeering King. I have said it many many times and said it at the time, the way Farage and UKIP ran the Brexit campaign was the final stage-setter/confirmation that such a brazen approach could work.

I don't disagree that the complacency and perceived aloofness of Clinton's 2016 campaign contributed, it absolutely did, but make no mistake, I believe it was a carefully coordinated 'perfect storm' of anti-Clinton, anti-left, 'they're taking your brick', 'elites need to go and we need to take charge and rewrite the rules for you' plus anti-immigrant sentiments which were amplified and weaponised. 2024 was unforgivable with regards to candidacy I agree; no excuses. I can only assume, like most people, lightning striking twice was not seen and credible; a foolish error and one I felt at the time too...

 

[robp135]

So its the opposition fault he was elected as the republican candidate??

Were you vocal agaisnt his potential election or did you just take it on the chin blaming the opposition?

The post about Joe Rogan is re: to all trunps initial supporter are now running for the hills after being massive supporters, the damage with their viewership and conspiracy theory supporters was done years ago. If you dont think Rogan Tucker and the fat headed Sandy Hook cnut impacted results then you are just dumb.

Joe Rogan has 11m followers

Tucker 22m

Jones 4m

Don't tell me with a straight face these idiots didnt influence votes with their bile.

Means nothing now coming back saying "we were wrong" whilst blaming the left.

Take some ownership that maybe his supporters got if fcuking wrong

I think there's considerably more...

By 2016, the public had been weaponised against any notion of critical -or reasonable- thinking via a sophisticated realisation (and weaponization) of social media as the direct route to people. Furthermore, the understanding that attention spans were short and meme culture/sloganeering King. I have said it many many times and said it at the time, the way Farage and UKIP ran the Brexit campaign was the final stage-setter/confirmation that such a brazen approach could work.

I don't disagree that the complacency and perceived aloofness of Clinton's 2016 campaign contributed, it absolutely did, but make no mistake, I believe it was a carefully coordinated 'perfect storm' of anti-Clinton, anti-left, 'they're taking your brick', 'elites need to go and we need to take charge and rewrite the rules for you' plus anti-immigrant sentiments which were amplified and weaponised. 2024 was unforgivable with regards to candidacy I agree; no excuses. I can only assume, like most people, lightning striking twice was not seen and credible; a foolish error and one I felt at the time too...

Lol not sure what I am supposed to be taking accountability for here? I can’t even vote.

This is the average difference in win margains in 2016, 2020, 2024. You are talking about less than 1% of the vote totals not just population.

Michigan 45,000
Nevada 37,000
Pennsylvania 82,000
Wisconsin 24,000
187,000

Il go deeper into the voter numbers and data when I have more time if you care. But the Dems winning or losing in these 4 states is almost always down to the voter turnout. If voter turnout is high the Dems win. If voter turnout is low the Reps win. And its mostly made up of low income voters as well. Which tells you it’s based on how well the Dem candidate votes for them.

You are way too in the weeds if you think these people are voting based on podcasts and twitter bots. Nationaly sure it’s going to impact a lot of peoples decisons. But the 500k people that vote either way or chose not to vote for whatever reason its gonna have fudge all to do with that.

 

[robp135]

Ignore the headline @thfcsteff it’s not that over the top but interested to know your thoughts on what this guy says.

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[MartyFunkhouser]

Lol not sure what I am supposed to be taking accountability for here? I can’t even vote.

This is the average difference in win margains in 2016, 2020, 2024. You are talking about less than 1% of the vote totals not just population.

Michigan 45,000
Nevada 37,000
Pennsylvania 82,000
Wisconsin 24,000
187,000

Il go deeper into the voter numbers and data when I have more time if you care. But the Dems winning or losing in these 4 states is almost always down to the voter turnout. If voter turnout is high the Dems win. If voter turnout is low the Reps win. And its mostly made up of low income voters as well. Which tells you it’s based on how well the Dem candidate votes for them.

You are way too in the weeds if you think these people are voting based on podcasts and twitter bots. Nationaly sure it’s going to impact a lot of peoples decisons. But the 500k people that vote either way or chose not to vote for whatever reason its gonna have fudge all to do with that.

So its everyone else's fault for trump than those that voted for trump?

That is like saying a rape victim is complicit for wearing a short skirt

The fact your wife loves RFK and you defend her ability to judge vaccines by being the person that only administers them shows me all I need to know about your judgement,

 

[thfcsteff]

Ignore the headline @thfcsteff it’s not that over the top but interested to know your thoughts on what this guy says.

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Will give it a listen mate

 

[robp135]

So its everyone else's fault for trump than those that voted for trump?

That is like saying a rape victim is complicit for wearing a short skirt

The fact your wife loves RFK and you defend her ability to judge vaccines by being the person that only administers them shows me all I need to know about your judgement,

Lol wtf kind of response is this. Are you 12 years old?

 

[thfcsteff]

Lol not sure what I am supposed to be taking accountability for here? I can’t even vote.

This is the average difference in win margains in 2016, 2020, 2024. You are talking about less than 1% of the vote totals not just population.

Michigan 45,000
Nevada 37,000
Pennsylvania 82,000
Wisconsin 24,000
187,000

Il go deeper into the voter numbers and data when I have more time if you care. But the Dems winning or losing in these 4 states is almost always down to the voter turnout. If voter turnout is high the Dems win. If voter turnout is low the Reps win. And its mostly made up of low income voters as well. Which tells you it’s based on how well the Dem candidate votes for them.

You are way too in the weeds if you think these people are voting based on podcasts and twitter bots. Nationaly sure it’s going to impact a lot of peoples decisons. But the 500k people that vote either way or chose not to vote for whatever reason its gonna have fudge all to do with that.

With regards to voter issues, I agree that complaceny and low turnout in 2016 was a major issue. Too many assumed Trump could not win because too many were out of touch. Which goes back to my (IMO accurate) statement that various types of information weaponisation had taken a firm hold and were being ignored. As always, it is never just one thing.

 

[robp135]

With regards to voter issues, I agree that complaceny and low turnout in 2016 was a major issue. Too many assumed Trump could not win because too many were out of touch. Which goes back to my (IMO accurate) statement that various types of information weaponisation had taken a firm hold and were being ignored. As always, it is never just one thing.

When Trump won it was with a low turnout and predominantly that was among low income voters. If you think that’s down to misinformation sure. There will always be a story within the data. But it cannot be denied there was a lack of enthusiasm for Clinton & Harris. And that should have been predicted considering Harris didn’t win a single primary vote and it had to be rigged to allow Clinton to beat Bernie.

Voter Turnout (almost exactly replicate the vote swing)

Michigan
2016 64.5%
2020 68.7%
2024 67.2%

Nevada
2016 57.9%
2020 64.7%
2024 61.7%

Pennsylvania
2016 70.1%
2020 76.1%
2024 71.2%

Wisconsin
2016 67.8%
2020 72.9%
2024 69.6%

National Low Income v All Voter Turnout
2016 - 50.1% v 60.1%
2020 - 57.9% v 66.9%
2024 - 48.3% v 64.5%

 

[robp135]

RIP MAGA

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Lol wtf kind of response is this. Are you 12 years old?

Nope its true, all I ever read when people speak about the impact of Trump is how its never the fault of anyone that voted for Trump and how its the oppositions fault, zero accountability for voting for one of the worst human beings to walk the planet in the last 100 years, zero.

And as for the last sentence I stand by it, there is zero link to vaccines being responsible for autism, in fact its a disgraceful assertion for RFK to make, the fact your wife, in your words "loves" RFK and is in charge of giving "advice" to parents about the care for their children despite having no formal training or expertise in vaccines, other than how to administer them would be a HUGE red flag. Paediatric nurses are not Drs and nothing in their training, regardless of where they trained makes them an expert on vaccines.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Melania Trump throwing out comments about "ethics" when married to thay sh1t stain couldn't been funnier

 

[robp135]

Nope its true, all I ever read when people speak about the impact of Trump is how its never the fault of anyone that voted for Trump and how its the oppositions fault, zero accountability for voting for one of the worst human beings to walk the planet in the last 100 years, zero.

And as for the last sentence I stand by it, there is zero link to vaccines being responsible for autism, in fact its a disgraceful assertion for RFK to make, the fact your wife, in your words "loves" RFK and is in charge of giving "advice" to parents about the care for their children despite having no formal training or expertise in vaccines, other than how to administer them would be a HUGE red flag. Paediatric nurses are not Drs and nothing in their training, regardless of where they trained makes them an expert on vaccines.

You are very sensitive.

 

[thfcsteff]

When Trump won it was with a low turnout and predominantly that was among low income voters. If you think that’s down to misinformation sure. There will always be a story within the data. But it cannot be denied there was a lack of enthusiasm for Clinton & Harris. And that should have been predicted considering Harris didn’t win a single primary vote and it had to be rigged to allow Clinton to beat Bernie.

Voter Turnout (almost exactly replicate the vote swing)

Michigan
2016 64.5%
2020 68.7%
2024 67.2%

Nevada
2016 57.9%
2020 64.7%
2024 61.7%

Pennsylvania
2016 70.1%
2020 76.1%
2024 71.2%

Wisconsin
2016 67.8%
2020 72.9%
2024 69.6%

National Low Income v All Voter Turnout
2016 - 50.1% v 60.1%
2020 - 57.9% v 66.9%
2024 - 48.3% v 64.5%

I haven't denied a thing?!
I am saying that there is absolutely more to it, and I personally think that is undeniable.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Trumps in a corner.

No-one spoke up, as either they have their own agendas or are ass lickers. Such regimes are built on these dynamics.

Netanhayu is wagging the dog atm.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html

He desperately needs an off ramp.
He's built up troops as a threat or last resort.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Iranians want that 'last resort', they are madder than the Americans (well, apart from Trump), focused and prepared. 100s of Americans will lose their lives. Warfare is different now. They can call Trumps bluff.

For the rest of us it's worrying ...as judging by Trump's rate of firing out messages....he's clearly not well.