American politics

[milo]

So you do not believe there are bad folks on both sides?

I did not say that but I think that it is wrong to say that there is equivalence. If the fascists weren't there, neither would the protesters. Fascists marching through a city means an increase in racial attacks. It means people feeling unsafe in their own home. Fascism is a denial of free speech.

Frankly, I am mystified how anyone can think "fascists, well there's two sides to every story".

 

[parklane1]

I did not say that but I think that it is wrong to say that there is equivalence. If the fascists weren't there, neither would the protesters. Fascists marching through a city means an increase in racial attacks. It means people feeling unsafe in their own home. Fascism is a denial of free speech.

Frankly, I am mystified how anyone can think "fascists, well there's two sides to every story".

I never said or tried to imply that, people have a right to protest against anything ( if they so desire) but the point i am trying to achieve is if you think all the bad is on one side or as i asked earlier "So do you believe there are bad folks on both sides?"

 

[milo]

I never said or tried to imply that, people have a right to protest against anything ( if they so desire) but the point i am trying to achieve is if you think all the bad is on one side or as i asked earlier "So do you believe there are bad folks on both sides?"

I think that making equivalence between the two, let's the fascists and their hateful actions and beliefs off the hook. Which is why fascists are so keen on making equivalence. Fascism needs to be stood up to and its lies challenged or it spreads.

 

[parklane1]

I think that making equivalence between the two, let's the fascists and their hateful actions and beliefs off the hook. Which is why fascists are so keen on making equivalence. Fascism needs to be stood up to and its lies challenged or it spreads.

So i guess i got you answer from that and i honestly believe that you are wrong. Not in saying racism should be challenged but in not accepting there is bad on both sides.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Where are the 'good' fascists? Frankly, I'm all for their freedom of speech, as I want the maggots to come out from under their rocks. It's good to know who the unhinged types in your community are.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Are you saying, that the people in the second video, who were denied their right to speak at their rally, are National Socialists?

No, I'm saying an unhinged right wing nut job, is an unhinged right wing nut job. These are just intellectual sub-normals. By the way, socialism has nothing to do with being a Nazi. Hitler had that put into the party name in order to attract the unwitting support of less politically engaged working class Germans.

 

[Jordinho]

No, that was Bush.

 

[scaramanga]

No, I'm saying an unhinged right wing nut job, is an unhinged right wing nut job. These are just intellectual sub-normals. By the way, socialism has nothing to do with being a Nazi. Hitler had that put into the party name in order to attract the unwitting support of less politically engaged working class Germans.

You should probably study the history of your own cause a little more closely.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

 

[Rock Strongo]

So i guess i got you answer from that and i honestly believe that you are wrong. Not in saying racism should be challenged but in not accepting there is bad on both sides.

There are "bad people" on every side of this world, that does not make fascism ok. You need to not buy into Donald's way of speaking sense so much.

 

[StephenH]

I never said or tried to imply that, people have a right to protest against anything ( if they so desire) but the point i am trying to achieve is if you think all the bad is on one side or as i asked earlier "So do you believe there are bad folks on both sides?"

The big problem is that the fascist would prevent you from being able to air these views!

 

[parklane1]

The big problem is that the fascist would prevent you from being able to air these views!

No more then any religious freak, black power etc etc would prevent me from airing my views. The truth is the world is FULL of arseholes from all walks and beliefs. Anyone who thinks there are not needs a word with themselves.

 

[parklane1]

There are "bad people" on every side of this world, that does not make fascism ok. You need to not buy into Donald's way of speaking sense so much.

Buying into no ones way of speaking my friend, i would suggest that there are people/folks who need to open their minds a little more and they may see clearer, and not just believe everything they read that usually has a agenda of sorts.

You are right about their being "bad people" on every side though, you could also say "these people" need to look at things a bit more broadly( in other words open their eyes) and not take things so black and white.

 

[StephenH]

No more then any religious freak, black power etc etc would prevent me from airing my views. The truth is the world is FULL of arseholes from all walks and beliefs. Anyone who thinks there are not needs a word with themselves.

Your missing point, you are not punished for saying what think and believe.
I met a lovely old lady in the 60's down in Oberammergau in Bavaria. She was once beaten in the late 30's by people she knew in 'her' village for not showing respect to the swastika as she past it in the main square......she said this happened to many others.
A young boy of around 10y.o. in Raqqa was saying on the news that if he had his current 'haircut' and Isis where still around he would have been beaten.

Lets not prevaricate here, you look to be making the rational that two or many wrongs 'do' make a right.

 

[parklane1]

ce

Your missing point, you are not punished for saying what think and believe.
I met a lovely old lady in the 60's down in Oberammergau in Bavaria. She was once beaten in the late 30's by people she knew in 'her' village for not showing respect to the swastika as she past it in the main square......she said this happened to many others.
A young boy of around 10y.o. in Raqqa was saying on the news that if he had his current 'haircut' and Isis where still around he would have been beaten.

Lets not prevaricate here, you look to be making the rational that two or many wrongs 'do' make a right.

You could not be MORE wrong then that statement, i am not saying anything of the sort. The truth is ( if folks WANT to see the truth) is that there are bad people in all walks/beliefs in life and discarding any of them because you/we agree with their point of view is blindness.

 

[StephenH]

ce


You could not be MORE wrong then that statement, i am not saying anything of the sort. The truth is ( if folks WANT to see the truth) is that there are bad people in all walks/beliefs in life and discarding any of them because you/we agree with their point of view is blindness.

I'm sorry you are talking rubbish. Lets not speak out regarding Fascists, Nazis Isis and KKK (to name but a few) because there are bad people in all walks of life.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

studiedOTE="scaramanga, post: 955335, member: 1"]You should probably study the history of your own cause a little more closely.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html[/QUOTE]

That's crap. Name one industry Hitler nationalised? He locked up all the socialists and trade unionists. All he did for workers was to introduce a May Day holiday and then promptly banned unions. Capitalism, Krupps, BMW, Porsche, they all flourished under the Nazis. That article has no academic credibility at all. Private conversations....really? Ha, ha, ha. Yes, he was influenced by Marxism, but only in the sense that he studied Marxist revolutionary principles and applied them to his own cause. This is similar to how the Taliban applied principles learnt from the Viet Cong. It doesn't mean that they had even remotely similar aims. Lame, lame, lame. Scara maybe you should enrol in a university history course like I did.

 

[parklane1]

I'm sorry you are talking rubbish. Lets not speak out regarding Fascists, Nazis Isis and KKK (to name but a few) because there are bad people in all walks of life.

I never said we should NOT speak our about racists ( read back through and see), what i said is that folks must open their minds and accept the fact that there are arseholes on every side. Instead of blindly saying only this is bad and that is good.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I never said we should NOT speak our about racists ( read back through and see), what i said is that folks must open their minds and accept the fact that there are arseholes on every side. Instead of blindly saying only this is bad and that is good.

You do get a lot on the left getting really worked up about those on the far right yet refuse to condemn those on their own side. It is to their discredit they do this.

 

[parklane1]

You do get a lot on the left getting really worked up about those on the far right yet refuse to condemn those on their own side. It is to their discredit they do this.

Bingo. The blind leading the blind in most cases.

 

[StephenH]

You do get a lot on the left getting really worked up about those on the far right yet refuse to condemn those on their own side. It is to their discredit they do this.

What's with all this "left" bullocks!
Getting wound up!

They are are evil people who would not hesitate in taking you and me down because we don't agree with thier vile ways.