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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

simon harris said:
Not much of an argument though. Look at what Klopp has achieved in the football world compared to Poch. I agree that we played Emirates Marketing Project off of the park at the Lane, and still managed to claw a draw at their place, but that has no baring on where we will finish compared to them. Like I said before, I am not sure about Utd finishing above us, but the other 4 are a cert.

Oh, because my opinions aren't the same as yours please don't call me an Arsenal fan, it's rather childish
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Just seen this post so I will take back my previous post apologies.
 
While no person is bigger than the club, were Poch to leave for Barcelona at the end of the season we will struggle to bring in someone equivalent or better.
 
I know that Emirates Marketing Project are so much better than us as you said asthey have just murdered stoke like we did....

brick that was the Barca score I saw not the city one
 
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As it stands right now, Poch has probably got the best PL win ratio, yes? Or best points per game in the PL?
Certainly he has vastly improved us as as team and seemingly combined some of the better parts of Redknapp's era with some of the more ballsy/brave parts of AVB's time.

For me he has some big weaknesses though:

- seemingly struggles to integrate pacy/tricky wide players into his style/sytem (N'Jie, Nkoudou, Lennon)
- struggles to integrate and rotate enough to allow the likes of Alli, Kane and Toby more time off than they get at present (imagine the burden if we didn't crash out of Europe unexpectedly both times this season)
- To often away from home vs the top 6, he isn't pragmatic enough
- Tactically still mediocre in Europe (and also often found wanting in domestic cup games)

At the moment as i say this is outweighed by our ability to:

- more often than not take on the big boys at home (other members of the 'top 6' now more often than not view a draw at WHL as a good result)
- more often than not overcome the 'park-the-bus' tactics of the lower sides at WHL
- defend doggedly (i can't remember us having a defence this consistently good)
- give youth a chance AND develop some absolute gems into players that rumours have started that the big giants across Europe are now monitoring (i know some of this is probably tabloid BS to unsetlle us, but they at least sound partly plausible...it's not as if it's as ridiculous as Jamie O'Hara being linked to Bayern)

Overall i still fear we have peaked under Poch (e.g. how sustainable is our energy and pressing? For example, realistically can Walker keep being our main source of pace AND width? Should he continue to be?) but he sure has made supporting Spurs exciting...and to think we could have got LVG :cool:

Now please PLEASE just beat Millwall to at least set-up a semi-final at Wembley.

PLEASE
 
Mate,

Love your work, so going to go 'in boldface' behind each point you make. In the spirit of discussion...

glorygloryeze said:
As it stands right now, Poch has probably got the best PL win ratio, yes? Or best points per game in the PL?
Certainly he has vastly improved us as as team and seemingly combined some of the better parts of Redknapp's era with some of the more ballsy/brave parts of AVB's time.

For me he has some big weaknesses though:

- seemingly struggles to integrate pacy/tricky wide players into his style/sytem (N'Jie, Nkoudou, Lennon)

Lennon wasn't up to it consistently sadly. I loved Azza but the truth is there for all to see. N'Jie? Jury's out. Nkoudou? Jury's out. Had he got Mane and that not worked, I might agree.He deserves better to work with.


- struggles to integrate and rotate enough to allow the likes of Alli, Kane and Toby more time off than they get at present (imagine the burden if we didn't crash out of Europe unexpectedly both times this season)
- To often away from home vs the top 6, he isn't pragmatic enough
- Tactically still mediocre in Europe (and also often found wanting in domestic cup games)

He doesn't have the depth to fight on all fronts. He has unearthed a genuine star in Winks, and I expect KWP and CCV to come through in the same vein. Ditto Marcus Edwards. I think away from home v top 6 we have had some poor luck. The European mediocrity has most certainly been evident (some games have not been good enough) but we have created enough chances in our CL wembley games to smash the opponents. Furthermore, has he been able to play a full strength side in Europe?


At the moment as i say this is outweighed by our ability to:

- more often than not take on the big boys at home (other members of the 'top 6' now more often than not view a draw at WHL as a good result)
- more often than not overcome the 'park-the-bus' tactics of the lower sides at WHL
- defend doggedly (i can't remember us having a defence this consistently good)
- give youth a chance AND develop some absolute gems into players that rumours have started that the big giants across Europe are now monitoring (i know some of this is probably tabloid BS to unsetlle us, but they at least sound partly plausible...it's not as if it's as ridiculous as Jamie O'Hara being linked to Bayern)

Overall i still fear we have peaked under Poch (e.g. how sustainable is our energy and pressing? For example, realistically can Walker keep being our main source of pace AND width? Should he continue to be?) but he sure has made supporting Spurs exciting...and to think we could have got LVG :cool:


Don't be afraid. Be optimistic!

Now please PLEASE just beat Millwall to at least set-up a semi-final at Wembley.

PLEASE
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simon harris said:
OK, I shall tell you why. Chelsea will win it. Emirates Marketing Project will definitely finish above us because they have a better side with more depth. Liverpool are stronger than us and have a better manager, and Arsenal always finish above us because it is written by the football Gods. I also believe that Utd will probably finish above us as well. At very best 5th.
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Hahaha, you WUM !

Although nothing is dead certain, the way we are going, we will end up second or worst, third. And maybe an FA Cup, if we can find a way to win at Wembley this season. We have beaten all of those lot, and everyone below us, so your logic is just simplistic and flawed. I want us to thump manyoo and them darn foxes, thump 'em good.

I think Poch will stay, he is committed to the project with the team, the club and the new stadium. I really, really hope he becomes the modern management legend and club legend for us, signs are all pointing that way ! VAMOS POCH !!
 
indospurs said:
Hahaha, you WUM !
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I have been posting on Spurs forums for years, and nothing changes. Say something that isn't positive and I get accused of being an Arsenal supporter or a WUM. You really aren't very original mate. In actual fact I have had a season ticket for 18 years and been going to the Lane since 1971.

I live in the real world, and the vast majority of the time I am right, and when I am not I admit it. Now, back to the thread. I judge a manager by his ability to get the best out of the squad he has, his ability to buy top players at the right price, his ability to actually win trophies, and his ability to entertain. I don't think Poch is a bad manager, and I do not think he is a great manager. If I am honest it's fairly unlikely we are in a position to get a better one. I just get fed up with some supporters who think he is the messiah, when in actual fact all we have done is finish 3rd in a two horse race, and buy some pretty atrocious players. Yes, we are an established top 6 side, and this is quite impressive considering our net spend is virtually zero, but that goes back to Arry. If we manage to finish top 3 and win the FA cup my opinion of him will indeed change, but I honestly can't see that changing. In the meantime I shall continue to give him my support, but I am not having his name tattooed on my chest quite yet.
 
Simon Harris you are a nut.

You judge managers on them spending prices on players? Not down to clubs, chairmen (ours in particular), agents and the players themselves?

We have finished third when other teams were not at their best true, but it possibly is right in saying that we played to our max with a young (possibly the youngest in Europe at the time) vs teams that by right with the players and resources they have should comfortably finish ahead of us.

To maintain it again in a league with managers lauded like Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Conte ... I think Poch is doing a spectacular job. We even got to a final if you remember.

Give Poch any of those other teams like I said he would walk this league.

Us real fans don't get delirious behind the media pump we step back and look at the reality.

The reason we love Poch is that we can see what he has done for us already and we recognise that he deserves the credit and time to see us into that new stadium (biggest in London club football) and compete with more intent than ever.

We know that once we have that stadium we can climb up that money league quite quickly and offer better wages and possibly spend money when needed.

If levy can trust poch and vice versa we have a great future ahead.

Just look at your club down the road there is unrest, uncertainty, penny pinching (relatively speaking looking at profits), shambles in contact renewals ... it's all going Pete tong over there. They remind me of spurs in the 90's.

Enjoy your club I know I certainly am enjoying my time
 
Gazza said:
Simon Harris you are a nut.

You judge managers on them spending prices on players? Not down to clubs, chairmen (ours in particular), agents and the players themselves?

We have finished third when other teams were not at their best true, but it possibly is right in saying that we played to our max with a young (possibly the youngest in Europe at the time) vs teams that by right with the players and resources they have should comfortably finish ahead of us.

To maintain it again in a league with managers lauded like Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Conte ... I think Poch is doing a spectacular job. We even got to a final if you remember.

Give Poch any of those other teams like I said he would walk this league.

Us real fans don't get delirious behind the media pump we step back and look at the reality.

The reason we love Poch is that we can see what he has done for us already and we recognise that he deserves the credit and time to see us into that new stadium (biggest in London club football) and compete with more intent than ever.

We know that once we have that stadium we can climb up that money league quite quickly and offer better wages and possibly spend money when needed.

If levy can trust poch and vice versa we have a great future ahead.

Just look at your club down the road there is unrest, uncertainty, penny pinching (relatively speaking looking at profits), shambles in contact renewals ... it's all going Pete tong over there. They remind me of spurs in the 90's.

Enjoy your club I know I certainly am enjoying my time
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Yes, it's great to see Arsenal in a period of unrest, but they have one of those every year and still manage to finish above us. I do NOT judge a manager on what he spends on players, and NEVER said any such thing. One of things I judge him on is his ability to pick out potential buys, and Poch has made some pretty poor ones. At present our record signing can't get in the side, and nor should he. You may chose to forget the last game of last season when we could have eventually finished above Arsenal, but I haven't, and what hurt the most is when Poch said he din't care
 
simon harris said:
I have been posting on Spurs forums for years, and nothing changes. Say something that isn't positive and I get accused of being an Arsenal supporter or a WUM. You really aren't very original mate. In actual fact I have had a season ticket for 18 years and been going to the Lane since 1971.

I live in the real world, and the vast majority of the time I am right, and when I am not I admit it. Now, back to the thread. I judge a manager by his ability to get the best out of the squad he has, his ability to buy top players at the right price, his ability to actually win trophies, and his ability to entertain. I don't think Poch is a bad manager, and I do not think he is a great manager. If I am honest it's fairly unlikely we are in a position to get a better one. I just get fed up with some supporters who think he is the messiah, when in actual fact all we have done is finish 3rd in a two horse race, and buy some pretty atrocious players. Yes, we are an established top 6 side, and this is quite impressive considering our net spend is virtually zero, but that goes back to Arry. If we manage to finish top 3 and win the FA cup my opinion of him will indeed change, but I honestly can't see that changing. In the meantime I shall continue to give him my support, but I am not having his name tattooed on my chest quite yet.
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You are full of it. Why did you leave your other forums?
 
simon harris said:
Yes, it's great to see Arsenal in a period of unrest, but they have one of those every year and still manage to finish above us. I do NOT judge a manager on what he spends on players, and NEVER said any such thing. One of things I judge him on is his ability to pick out potential buys, and Poch has made some pretty poor ones. At present our record signing can't get in the side, and nor should he. You may chose to forget the last game of last season when we could have eventually finished above Arsenal, but I haven't, and what hurt the most is when Poch said he din't care
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Lol poch never said that ... the players said that he was still tinkled at them at preseason.

Jog on
 
LemonadeMoney said:
You are full of it. Why did you leave your other forums?
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When did I say I had left them ?

From experience most people who post on forums rarely if ever go to the games. They are fans rather than supporters, and believe that being a proper fan involves saying nothing but positive things about Spurs. In reality people who attend the games tend to be the biggest the critics, and are most certainly the hardest people to please. This is because they have spent a considerable amount of money following their team, and therefore have bigger expectations of the players and manager.
 
simon harris said:
I have been posting on Spurs forums for years, and nothing changes. Say something that isn't positive and I get accused of being an Arsenal supporter or a WUM. You really aren't very original mate. In actual fact I have had a season ticket for 18 years and been going to the Lane since 1971.

I live in the real world, and the vast majority of the time I am right, and when I am not I admit it. Now, back to the thread. I judge a manager by his ability to get the best out of the squad he has, his ability to buy top players at the right price, his ability to actually win trophies, and his ability to entertain. I don't think Poch is a bad manager, and I do not think he is a great manager. If I am honest it's fairly unlikely we are in a position to get a better one. I just get fed up with some supporters who think he is the messiah, when in actual fact all we have done is finish 3rd in a two horse race, and buy some pretty atrocious players. Yes, we are an established top 6 side, and this is quite impressive considering our net spend is virtually zero, but that goes back to Arry. If we manage to finish top 3 and win the FA cup my opinion of him will indeed change, but I honestly can't see that changing. In the meantime I shall continue to give him my support, but I am not having his name tattooed on my chest quite yet.
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3 questions:

1) Which posts (or posters) on this forum show anyone thinking Poch is a messiah?
2) have all the players Poch has bought been "atrocious"?
3) If Arry was the one "who established us as a top 6 side" do you credit Arry with also being in last season's title challenge, or was that actually down to Pochettino (regardless of how the last 4 games went in the end?)
 
thfcsteff said:
Mate,

Love your work, so going to go 'in boldface' behind each point you make. In the spirit of discussion...
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We'll see Steff. I do think it's a bit easy to say "he deserves better to work with" after all it was him who chased Nkoudou and him who chased Janssen. After a while the judgement on how well such players do will have to fall on Poch.

As i say Poch has done well, but the above are examples of areas he himself needs to improve (i.e. targeting of players and squad integration)
 
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