Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath

[AdamB]

Another year of Harry buying 33+ year old players and loanees? No thanks. None of the oldies are going anywhere this summer if Harry stays and so will be even more worthless 12 months down the track, by which time no doubt Harry will have added a couple more to their ranks.

In a similar way with Keegan at Saudi Sportswashing Machine, I do think that Harry has taken us as far as he can. He's a great man manager and motivator but that can only get you so far. The squad has progressed and in doing so we've shiped out people who have previously done well for us....now we need to upgrade the manager

 

[totman]

So what exactly is wrong with the fella? At least he won some trophies in his short career, which is more than Moyes, Rodgers or Lambert have achieved in their managerial careers...

Yet which one lasted 5 minutes in the PL and managed to lose the dressing room in 3 months?

 

[AdamB]

I would also welcome AVB. Ditto with Mourinho, Hiddink or Brendan Rodgers

 

[Howard Webb]

Don't see what's wrong with AVB, to be honest. He speaks English- that makes him better than Ramos, at the very least. He's really young, so he could be a long-term appointment. He tried to implement a high line and quick pressing game at Chelsea, but failed because of the oldies. We don't have any Terry types, so he'd be better off. He was sacked by a megalomaniacal rich owner obsessed with success at all costs. We don't have that. He had to deal with a 'transition', while clearing out the older players and trying to implement a new passing and pressing philosophy, while being expected to succeed in both the PL and the CL. An impossible task, so is it any wonder he failed?

So what exactly is wrong with the fella? At least he won some trophies in his short career, which is more than Moyes, Rodgers or Lambert have achieved in their managerial careers...

i think its about integrity. nothing wrong with a young coach but to get people to do what you think is required is difficult in any walk of life. Having gravitas or experience in man management in the pressured Premier League creates a positive perception of somebody, which may or may not be deserved. And there are many occasions where this appears to be true - Ramos being a classic example of supreme experience and forward thinking style who came up against serious problems implementing his preferred methods. If the players wont have it, they will simply not work. Alot of it is about ego stroking, and harry was once master of this and probably still is.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Yet which one lasted 5 minutes in the PL and managed to lose the dressing room in 3 months?

Christ, so anyone who's been unfortunate enough to fall foul of Chelsea's clique of dressing-room managers and their maniacal owner is a terrible coach?

fudge that Mourinho guy...oh, and that Hiddink fellow too...and that Ancelotti fella, pfft. Terrible managers, all of them. Worse than Ramos. I know this because they were all forced to leave by either Abramovich or the Cole-Lampard-Cech-Terry clique, and we all know that those two paragons of virtue are never wrong...

 

[Jimmy-g]

I was under the impression that we were paying Redknapp somewhere between ?ú2 and 5 mill per annum, if that is correct then I am sure it would be a big enough salary to get a big name manager (I think the problem in getting one of the big names is not managerial salary but potentially playing staff salary and transfer budget). However I also kinda remember suggestions that Redknapp would get a big salary boost if offered the England managerial position on the same terms as Capello, so maybe I have it all wrong!

The FA has said that the next England manager can expect a realistic salary and that they made a mistake with Capello`s, also I know that Redknaps buy out clause is a lot higher that the ?ú5mill quoted.

 

[ArcspacE]

Christ, so anyone who's been unfortunate enough to fall foul of Chelsea's clique of dressing-room managers and their maniacal owner is a terrible coach?

fudge that Mourinho guy...oh, and that Hiddink fellow too...and that Ancelotti fella, pfft. Terrible managers, all of them. Worse than Ramos. I know this because they were all forced to leave by either Abramovich or the Cole-Lampard-Cech-Terry clique, and we all know that those two paragons of virtue are never wrong...

Pathetic isn't it?

Goes hand-in-hand with the current zeitgeist in the vast population of today's teenage society demanding instant gratification and success.

By the same logic we should have dropped kicked Arry after finishing 8th and losing the CC final

 

[totman]

Christ, so anyone who's been unfortunate enough to fall foul of Chelsea's clique of dressing-room managers and their maniacal owner is a terrible coach?

fudge that Mourinho guy...oh, and that Hiddink fellow too...and that Ancelotti fella, pfft. Terrible managers, all of them. Worse than Ramos. I know this because they were all forced to leave by either Abramovich or the Cole-Lampard-Cech-Terry clique, and we all know that those two paragons of virtue are never wrong...

At the end of the day, the players were behind Jose, Hiddink and Ancellotti. The sackings were down to Roman.

AVB lost the dressing room by November.

 

[totman]

Pathetic isn't it?

Goes hand-in-hand with the current zeitgeist in the vast population of today's teenage society demanding instant gratification and success.

By the same logic we should have dropped kicked Arry after finishing 8th and losing the CC final

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Ladies and Gentleman. This from the man who wants Harry sacked :ross:

 

[DubaiSpur]

i think its about integrity. nothing wrong with a young coach but to get people to do what you think is required is difficult in any walk of life. Having gravitas or experience in man management in the pressured Premier League creates a positive perception of somebody, which may or may not be deserved. And there are many occasions where this appears to be true - Ramos being a classic example of supreme experience and forward thinking style who came up against serious problems implementing his preferred methods. If the players wont have it, they will simply not work. Alot of it is about ego stroking, and harry was once master of this and probably still is.

True, but our players don't look like the sort to rebel against a young coach with new ideas. 'What have you won in the game?' is a question often asked by angry young players to their unproven manager. Well, in this case, many of our players haven't won anything at all, while AVB has ,in his time, won the league, cup and Europa League in one season, while going unbeaten through all of it. So they can't ask that. 'I came here to win trophies' is something Ashley Cole said to him earlier in the season. Can any of our players say that if he fails to deliver the league title? Unlikely.

Finally, our players seem like sensible fellows, by and large. The likes of Nelsen, Kaboul, Bale, Modric, Defoe...in fact ,almost all our players were bought from teams lower down the table, and thus wouldn't be angry at a young fellow like AVB taking over, as they would have seen worse managers in their time. The only people I can see having a problem with AVB are Gallas and VdV, and out of those, one won't be around very long and the other's happy as long as he's playing, so no major problems there.

Overall, I think he'd find Spurs a much more supportive and conducive environment than Chelsea was, and that could prove to be vital in spurring him (and by extension, us) to success.

 

[Leeds Spur]

It depends on how he finishes the season. If he manages to drag us over the line with 70+ points and secure 4th place, then yes, he should stay, providing he manages to learn about facking squad rotation and avoiding end of season collapses.

If he doesn't, then the facts are clear; he's taken us from our most promising position in years, thirteen points ahead of Arsenal and looking like shoo-ins for the CL automatic spots, to finishing 5th or lower and ensuring the departure of our key men, just due to his inability to cut the England bullcrap and focus on his job. Only an FA Cup win would soften the blow; if he fails to do that as well, then he's off, sad as I am to say it. He should go.

100% agree and mt feelings exactly.

I am 99% sure we will win 2 games max before the end of the season

 

[DubaiSpur]

AVB lost the dressing room by November.

Because he had the stones to tell Terry, Lampard and co. to go do one. He was left with the wrong end of the stick, you see, because Mourinho, Hiddink and Ancelotti all had access to these players when they were in their prime, and thus didn't have to worry about dropping them. AVB inherited a bunch of ageing, self-entitled whingers demanding instant gratification, and he had to sort out the mess. So that can't really be held as a weapon against him.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

But by the same logic Roy didn't? Righto.

Given that Kenny and ?ú100m hasnt improved them at all I think there is an argument to supports Roys tenure there to a degree.

Much more so than AVBs at Chelsea.

 

[ArcspacE]

True, but our players don't look like the sort to rebel against a young coach with new ideas. 'What have you won in the game?' is a question often asked by angry young players to their unproven manager. Well, in this case, many of our players haven't won anything at all, while AVB has ,in his time, won the league, cup and Europa League in one season, while going unbeaten through all of it. So they can't ask that. 'I came here to win trophies' is something Ashley Cole said to him earlier in the season. Can any of our players say that if he fails to deliver the league title? Unlikely.

Finally, our players seem like sensible fellows, by and large. The likes of Nelsen, Kaboul, Bale, Modric, Defoe...in fact ,almost all our players were bought from teams lower down the table, and thus wouldn't be angry at a young fellow like AVB taking over, as they would have seen worse managers in their time. The only people I can see having a problem with AVB are Gallas and VdV, and out of those, one won't be around very long and the other's happy as long as he's playing, so no major problems there.

Overall, I think he'd find Spurs a much more supportive and conducive environment than Chelsea was, and that could prove to be vital in spurring him (and by extension, us) to success.

I think numer of Chelsea players liked his ideas in general but the ones in line to soon-be-deemed-disposable might have become insecure hence the revolt. That's my interpretation

Goes to show what true gentlemen some of our older folk really are for never stirring brick when found on the bench or moaning to the press (bar JD a few times but he's known for that in the past)

 

[ArcspacE]

Given that Kenny and ?ú100m hasnt improved them at all I think there is an argument to supports Roys tenure there to a degree.

Much more so than AVBs at Chelsea.

No it really doesn't.

I don't want to re-quote your previous posts but you're applying massive double standards to 2 very similar situations and their respective season objectives. Unfair.

 

[totman]

Because he had the stones to tell Terry, Lampard and co. to go do one. He was left with the wrong end of the stick, you see, because Mourinho, Hiddink and Ancelotti all had access to these players when they were in their prime, and thus didn't have to worry about dropping them. AVB inherited a bunch of ageing, self-entitled whingers demanding instant gratification, and he had to sort out the mess. So that can't really be held as a weapon against him.

So because he came in and forced his seasoned pro's to play a system they were not capable of, then dropped them when they complained, losing games that were unthinkable for them to lose just two yrs ago when they won the double.....thats good?

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

Because he had the stones to tell Terry, Lampard and co. to go do one. He was left with the wrong end of the stick, you see, because Mourinho, Hiddink and Ancelotti all had access to these players when they were in their prime, and thus didn't have to worry about dropping them. AVB inherited a bunch of ageing, self-entitled whingers demanding instant gratification, and he had to sort out the mess. So that can't really be held as a weapon against him.

Was that a wise move before he had replacements in hand? Personally I don't think so!!

 

[totman]

Was that a wise move before he had replacements in hand? Personally I don't think so!!

Precisely

 

[ArcspacE]

Was that a wise move before he had replacements in hand? Personally I don't think so!!

Both Terry and Lampard have replacements this very moment.

 

[indianspur]

It was new to Chelsea for the last 6 odd years - i.e. quite a few players.

He also employs a strong tactical emphasis to a nearly scientific level - personally I enjoy that as opposed to 'running around a bit'

His ideas were new to them not the known universe


You still haven't given me your preference? Won't hold my breath though.

and you know this how?