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Politics, politics, politics

parklane1 said:
Something the vast majority are thankfull for.
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I wouldn't say vast majority, in my experience its 50/50 between those that think she walked on water and those that think she was the devil incarnate

she did win the odd election campaign don't forget
 
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Overall 25% said Thatcher was a great Prime Minister, 27% good, compared to 23% who said she was terrible and 7% poor. Just 10% said average. Her ratings were not vastly different across the social spectrum, both men and women rated her highly, and while younger people born after she left office are less likely to have an opinion, those that did were still more positive than negative. While opinion gradually becomes less positive as you go northwards, even in the North 49% have a positive opinion of Thatcher, 35% negative. Only in Scotland is the balance of opinion negative.
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I think that maybe you meant to type "Something the vast majority of Marxist simpletons are thankful for"
 
scaramanga said:
Is it more important that a party leader is good at "playing politics" or leading the country?

I'd far rather have Cameron who is terrible at playing politics but seemingly pretty good at running the country than Milibland who seems capable of playing politics very well but would be lucky to leave an EU summit with his lunch money and without a wedgie.
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We all know how one eyed you are about politics mate, but you I can't dance that he failed big time in the last GE.
 
scaramanga said:
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I think that maybe you meant to type "Something the vast majority of Marxist simpletons are thankful for"
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Have you any idea where it was taken and how big that poll was?. Because most people I have met think she was the worst thing that happened, my second wife was a tory and voted for her and she said it was the biggest mistake she ever made.
 
galeforce said:
I wouldn't say vast majority, in my experience its 50/50 between those that think she walked on water and those that think she was the devil incarnate

she did win the odd election campaign don't forget
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Well I should have said the majority of people I have met, bearing in mind I was married at one time to a Tory party member.
 
scaramanga said:
There's still no need for a state monopoly to provide those services.

The funding is still from the government - whether some people/areas are more expensive or not it doesn't matter. Companies will always find more efficient ways of gaining an advantage over the opposition - they will always find cheaper methods than their competitors or they will not last.

The argument about cherry picking is a false one. Obviously the government will pay more for more expensive care/treatments than they do the cheaper ones. There will always be someone wanting to earn that money and there will always be competition to do it better and more cheaply than their rivals.
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I think state has to be the overseer of all health services for the country. The State are the only overseer that has (in theory) the best long term interests in Public Health long term. The State has the interest to provide the long-term medical training (including any updates needed based on new innovations/evidence). What interest does any company have for doing this, particularly if they may lose their contract or not be able to guarantee keeping up their service specifications? If we can't get the private companies to fully invest (as much as is necessary) in the infrastructure of their local rail lines, it's pie in the sky imo to expect companies to do the same on the scale necessary in terms of healthcare with regards to training of Doctors. Only large multinationals with 30 years + contracts and nationwide monopolies would even have the hope of a return on investment for even thinking about doing this. You may as well have a state-run monopoly in this case.

Companies will always indeed find ways to become 'more efficient than the opposition'.
But why would any provider look to provide costly services in an old run-down ex mining town that has a high prevalence of lung cancer, diabetes, hypertension, ashtma etc if the costs are such that little profit can be made? Again, unless a company has a monopoly of providing services in multiple areas (and where one of their other areas are much more profitable due to a healthier, fitter population) why waste time on taking up such a non-profitable contract?
 
I was born in 82 so my Thatcher knowledge is based on reading. My view is she was necessary

What I would like to hear from anti Thatcher people is what so they think the country would have looked like without her?
 
parklane1 said:
Have you any idea where it was taken and how big that poll was?. Because most people I have met think she was the worst thing that happened, my second wife was a tory and voted for her and she said it was the biggest mistake she ever made.
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http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploa...YouGov-Sun-results-Thatcher-legacy-130409.pdf

1900 adults in 2013. I suspect your comment says far more about your social circles than it does the opinion of the majority in this country - conversely, I've met very few people who think she was anything other than incredible for our country.
 
AuroRaman said:
Everyone is voting for Labour because Russell Brand told us to

*ducks for cover/awaits Scara's wrath
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It was good that the "revolution" matches up neatly to one of the 2 main parties in UK politics, makes it easier.

Presumably if Labour + SNP + all of Scara's other communist parties could form a government, there'd be nothing to stop Labour doing away with the Ed Miller Band and making someone who will work with them the boss?
 
I'm seriously at a loss as who to vote for (barring UKIP). I've read through summaries of all the manifestos and paid particular attention to things that concern me but there are merits across the board. It's also actually helped me see clearer and change what I thought was right (i.e. the E.U) and I've done one of those online quizzes and am none the wiser (pretty much split across the board with the Tories slightly leading Labour). Our current local MP and favourite is a Tory (and a gooner as opposed to our UKIP candidate - who is Spurs :eek:) and seems to have done well enough (particularly in the wealthier areas ;)).

Where the option to:

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I wanted a clear idea of who I'd support but not happening.

Taking my 5 year old along so she can learn about voting and what it means - but it seems we won't be wearing any particular colour at this point (even though she knows it's generally 'never red' :D)

In terms of my current company - voting Labour would be more beneficial... But Ed Milliband? :confused:

FFS...Help! :mad:
 
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