Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

[Kandi1977]

I am not too fussed about a Billionaire owner either. Just someone that isn't all take, and doesn't wait to build a stadium for over 5 years will do nicely. And not when he does decide to get the ball rolling after everyone has bent over and taken a decent rodgering to facilitate his all take attitude the money made from such a stadium game day intake then becomes pointless because the TV money means building the stadium for the reason we decided to do it becomes somewhat obsolete and just a big waste of everyone's time. I do wonder whether the advantage of this stadium will be what it should have been. Has the boat sailed.

No I don't, I 100% understand what a bad owner can be like. I perceive Joe Lewis to be one. I think there is better, and I also think there are worse. I think its more important to get right the person who does the day to day stuff.. Levy if you like right. We needed an owner who'd go that extra not someone that milks the situation whilst inputting the least amount he needs. You could argue the delay of being in the stadium two years ago has cost the club 50m. I know people will say with hindsight.. I know Levy and Lewis are a twosome but there is people out there quite capable of doing similar a Levy, one being Peter Gill, quietly behind the scene infiltrating FIFA and I have no doubt will be FIFA president within 3 years. But there are people.

Agree, that is true. But what will it mean. We can spend 200k a week player instead of 150k a week to Stoke City. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I truly hope there is an advantage. I do not now see that the new stadium will bridge the gap of non champions league football, but will keep us ahead of the pack.

Take a look at this and tell me that more than doubling the match day income, which the new stadium will do, won't help us! We are also the only club in the PL bar Swansea with ZERO debt! How is that running the club badly?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-guide-Premier-League-s-financial-health.html

 

[chicken_badge]

Take a look at this and tell me that more than doubling the match day income, which the new stadium will do, won't help us! We are also the only club in the PL bar Swansea with ZERO debt! How is that running the club badly?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-guide-Premier-League-s-financial-health.html

Because Lewis has a zillion pounds and he should be writing out endless cheques to anyone who wants to play football manager for real

He also should just build a new stadium because you don't need planning permission or even a site you should just build one anyway because he has a zillion zillion dollars

But all he does is lie on his yacht and think of ways to torment fans of tottenham hotspurs

 

[Whiffler]

Because Lewis has a zillion pounds and he should be writing out endless cheques to anyone who wants to play football manager for real

He also should just build a new stadium because you don't need planning permission or even a site you should just build one anyway because he has a zillion zillion dollars

But all he does is lie on his yacht and think of ways to torment fans of tottenham hotspurs

Who might they be, oh font of all knowledge ?

 

[jts1882]

Some of the older accounts in local newspapers used to refer to us as Hotspurs or Tottenham Hotpurs.

Now the name is just another way for Joe Lewis to torment us.

 

[Spur of the moment]

Some of the older accounts in local newspapers used to refer to us as Hotspurs or Tottenham Hotpurs.

Now the name is just another way for Joe Lewis to torment us.

or even -
Spurs!

 

[Baleforce]

meow

 

[chicken_badge]

Because Lewis has a zillion pounds and he should be writing out endless cheques to anyone who wants to play football manager for real

He also should just build a new stadium because you don't need planning permission or even a site you should just build one anyway because he has a zillion zillion dollars

But all he does is lie on his yacht and think of ways to torment fans of tottenham hotspurs

This is the team big joe lewis thinks about on his yacht when he is lying there like we all imagine in the middle of the Caribbean with a big rum and all these young ladies around him that he can't do anything about because he is 80 and all this money that it is just as pointless having because he is 80 and he thinks ah I own the tottenham hotspurS but I will torment their fans by intentionally keeping them in the white heart lane stadium and in the uefa league because in my last decade this is all I want to do

I know am ITK

 

[parklane1]

Because Lewis has a zillion pounds and he should be writing out endless cheques to anyone who wants to play football manager for real

He also should just build a new stadium because you don't need planning permission or even a site you should just build one anyway because he has a zillion zillion dollars

But all he does is lie on his yacht and think of ways to torment fans of tottenham hotspurs

You mean playing games on a abacus is nothing like football in the real world? Well who would have thought.

 

[Superhudd]

I find this post extremely offensive and childish to an extent.

- From ALL your posts that I have read, you think that Joe Lewis is a bad owner. Can you name some that are good. Please don't include Russian crooks or oil playboys.
- According to you we have waited for over 5 years to build a stadium. Well, dear sir, we have in fact waited longer. Can you suggest how it could have been done earlier. Would your ideal owner have sorted the problem with the CPO any earlier and / or better.
- You believe that because of the extra TV money, building the stadium becomes obsolete AND a waste of everyone's time. That is a great attitude. I don't know if you are a TRUE Spurs fan, but there are thousands of fans who can't tickets to watch our great team. If we want to grow our fan-base, we have to have more bums on the seats.
- With the FFP rules, we need EVERY bit of extra revenue to compete with our rivals.
- Your comment : Has the boat sailed, is the one I really love. As someone who makes his living dealing in stocks and funds, it is often better to let a boat sail - if you are unsure or not ready. After all, boats sail all the time. You just have to find the right one.
COYS

Please firstly state why its EXTREMELY offensive! I think your a bit OTT there.

Yes dear Sir we have waited longer, we have waited since Levy and Lewis came to ownership and was left a plan by David Buchler, in that plan which was written in 2000/01 he pinpointed what needed to be done for the club to progress, before leaving and handing the day to day running of the club to Daniel Levy, but I am sure it was probably muted before then. But still yes the club under ENIC finally decided to pull the rabbit out of its arse... regarding building the new stadium at the same time they were getting untold bad press and supporter unrest of there sacking of Martin Jol. 2008.

Buchler's main points at the time of handing over to Levy

• To focus on the development of young players rather than buying expensive established stars. That money would be better-spent, the review says, on the club's youth academy.

• To revamp the club's marketing department to promote the Spurs brand around the world.

• To redevelop the club's White Hart Lane ground from a 36,000 to 44,000 capacity. (Spurs already have preliminary planning permission from Haringey Council to complete the work but they want Haringey to improve transport links to the stadium first).

Regarding the CPO, I do not know, and neither do you what was offered and what it would have taken for Archway to move. I believe, because it is the Levy way that they probably offered the going rate and maybe 15-25%, but this is all guesswork, just as it is with regards saying that Archway wanted 20m. Why would you move from your premises if you always know that your going to get the market rate anyway. Everything regarding figures in this area is simply guesswork by everyone apart from those that know.

Yes, the bit about it being a waste of time.. my point of that statement is that it was in regard to building it in relation to closing the gap on match day revenue, and that because of TV and commercial income the idea of building the stadium has become pointless in this respect.. and no other reason. I have been a large voice on here regarding the closed shop of season ticket holders (me being season ticket holder) and the youngsters coming though to support and join us on match days. I look around and it really is depressing the number of under 16s that are not able to see Tottenham. I have long campaigned for better family prices and tickets. But I see abuse of this, At the beginning of the season I sold my match ticket for the home game to Liverpool on Stub Hub and purchased two tickets in the family enclosure. One for me the other for my Nephew. What did we find when we got there.. in my eye shot I counted no more than 10 youngsters in and around me, but plenty of middle aged men and retired folk, this I found upsetting especially as we had to sit two seats away to someone intent on swearing and offering disparaging remarks every 30 seconds.. family area yeah OK. So I do understand the need to build the stadium for other reasons. I did also think my post was regarding monetary reasons too, maybe I assumed that people would understand that was where the viewpoint was coming.

COYS

 

[Superhudd]

Take a look at this and tell me that more than doubling the match day income, which the new stadium will do, won't help us! We are also the only club in the PL bar Swansea with ZERO debt! How is that running the club badly?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3016432/Club-club-guide-Premier-League-s-financial-health.html

Yes I saw that today.. Yes our match day income will rise 50-60m

Emirates Marketing Project Commercial income is 160m to our 40m.

Will the extra match day revenue cover the deficit of Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool's Commercial and TV money difference.

As I said, 5 years ago the stadium may of been relevant as a game changer, it simply isn't now. The clubs mentioned above have all moved on. And I repeat, the stadium will be more beneficial to keeping us above the chasing pack than joining those that are closing the doors on others joining.

It is crazy the commercial deals the above teams are bringing in. I hope Levy can pull his rabbit out the hat and join them.

 

[Superhudd]

Because Lewis has a zillion pounds and he should be writing out endless cheques to anyone who wants to play football manager for real

He also should just build a new stadium because you don't need planning permission or even a site you should just build one anyway because he has a zillion zillion dollars

But all he does is lie on his yacht and think of ways to torment fans of tottenham hotspurs

I love sarcasm, but why would anyone want an owner to write cheques. Money Transfer surely!.

Anyway, they don't need to give money, just underwrite the money needed.

 

[chicken_badge]

I love sarcasm, but why would anyone want an owner to write cheques. Money Transfer surely!.

Anyway, they don't need to give money, just underwrite the money needed.

Joe Lewis is the same age as my nan. That generation don't do bank transfers.

If you are Joe Lewis's grandson you get a £10 cheque in a card and curse him for being a tight arse.

Are you Joe Lewis's grandson???

 

[Spur of the moment]

Superhudd I think you are short-changing Lewis and Levy somewhat by suggesting that (leaving aside the transport links issue for a moment) all they had to do when they took over was progress the Buchler plan.

I remember agreeing with Levy's mission statement shortly after he got his feet under the table. I'm paraphrasing but the gist was the top priority was to get the club on a sounder footing first as well as improving the overall quality and competitiveness of the team so that it could be better placed to challenge for honours.

The stadium would have to wait. To me this made very sound sense because we were a club going nowhere when he took over.

Now I'll agree absolutely it's taken one hell of a long time to progress the stadium, partly I believe because Levy was never enamoured of Tottenham and was looking for other potential sites long before the OS debacle came along.

But if you look around we are not the only ones to discover how difficult it is to resolve the stadium problem. How long has it taken Liverpool to get things off the ground? In the end they've had to abandon their much vaunted ambition for a s-o-t-a new stadium and settle for expanding Anfield to a somewhat lower capacity than they had previously aspired to.

Meanwhile the likes of Everton and Chelsea as well as lesser lights like Birmingham City, Nottingham Forest, QPR and Fulham have all either abandoned hope or are still scratching around with no clear resolution in sight.

I suspect (sigh) from the way you've been banging on about Lewis for so long that none of this will ever cut much ice with you, but frankly as others have said you really do need to be careful what you wish for. Better a spanking new stadium eventually than a potentially catastrophic new owner who leads us into the wilderness or beyond before we know what's hit us.

 

[Superhudd]

Levy's mission statement included the stadium. To point out, my grumblings are more to do with the timeline from the initial 2008 release of the plans and getting everyone's hopes up. The Buchler stuff was me answering about when the stadium changes were talked about.

I guess the Lewis issue for me is I prefer someone that does something proactive rather than waiting for all the cards to fall into place (Is that the right saying? lol) I had for at least a couple of years felt it was Levy that was at fault, but have learned to appreciate what he has done. Lewis is basically a non entity and is someone I believe could have done more and we could change, because Levy will always keep that steady line. Would love someone to buy out Lewis's share of ENIC.

Blaming Archway for the delay is poor IMO, especially when the facts don't accompany the blaming. I wonder in hindsight, would they do things differently having first started initial new stadium talks in 2008. I'd like to bloody think so, will they admit that.. doubt it. Once the CPO was first executed I do believe the right plan was to then fcuk over Archway with the going rate offer that surely Haringey will now pay. I would love to know though what were the offers, what Archway wanted etc. so people can make up there own minds. We will never know I think as I am sure some kind of gagging instruction will be placed on whatever deal is finally made.

 

[imcallingbullsh*t]

Is it even legal for us to offer Archway loads of money to move? Obviously can offer before the CPO process, however once that had started then as the CPO was from the council not from us, not sure how that would work.

Ronaldo to Man Utd
Suarez to Barcelona, Torres to Chelsea
A player a year from arsenal
Even Chelsea will cash in on a Luiz if the money is high enough.

Every team that has to worry about finances or player power its not just us.

I have still yet to see the owner named who is the perfect role-model and an example how you would like our club to be run?

 

[Jordinho]

From someone on SSC:

Hello

I've been dying to send this message.

I'm someone who is on here a lot but I chose to make a fake account, not 100% comfortable blabbing. It's not actually that much, I know some people want to stir the pot or whatever so I can take it with a pinch of salt, even everyone here I'm sure will but I thought I'd pass on what I was told today.

Person 1 who is a neighbour of someone at Tottenham (not high up as such but someone with importance) showed Person 1 apparently a small 30 page book of new redesigns for the new stadium. He stated at first it was a massive difference.

These were the few things we mentioned to me.

The stadium at one end (he didn't seem sure but had a think) the paxton end he believed had this amazing look on the outside, all glass. I wasn't sure if maybe it was actually the west side or even all the way around.

The weird thing he said was it had more of an egg shape from above, nothing that really made it too egg like though lol.

Kop remained of course as we know.

Capacity was 61k. I asked first about had it gone up in capacity to 61k but he said still speaking of the look on the outside which he said blew the person showing him away. So when I asked again about capacity he said 61K. So whether he was right or just picking up what I had said.

Also I asked about the sloped corners inside, again he didn't seem sure but said it seemed less emirates stadium inside.

I understand with all the information that is rumoured that it could be nothing, but I pretty much all but had confirmation that he was this person so that's what intrigued me.

That's all I got in a 5 minute conversation, he seemed to want to talk more about Harry Kane. Thought I'd pass it a long all the same.

 

[Kandi1977]

Levy's mission statement included the stadium. To point out, my grumblings are more to do with the timeline from the initial 2008 release of the plans and getting everyone's hopes up. The Buchler stuff was me answering about when the stadium changes were talked about.
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Blaming Archway for the delay is poor IMO, especially when the facts don't accompany the blaming. I wonder in hindsight, would they do things differently having first started initial new stadium talks in 2008. I'd like to bloody think so, will they admit that.. doubt it. Once the CPO was first executed I do believe the right plan was to then fcuk over Archway with the going rate offer that surely Haringey will now pay. I would love to know though what were the offers, what Archway wanted etc. so people can make up there own minds. We will never know I think as I am sure some kind of gagging instruction will be placed on whatever deal is finally made.

All the wise critic always comes....in hindsight. Hindsight is the only excact science. And whether they would do it differently or not, is now irrelevant.

 

[Kenyan Spur]

I have still yet to see the owner named who is the perfect role-model and an example how you would like our club to be run?

Yes @ imcallingbullsh*t .
I am also waiting for Superhudd to tell us which owner is better than Lewis / Levy

 

[Superhudd]

Yes @ imcallingbullsh*t .
I am also waiting for Superhudd to tell us which owner is better than Lewis / Levy

Do you think I would know people that would want to buy the club or something. Its a stupid question to ask someone that doesn't frequent a billionaire lifestyle.

Do you know of any bad owners that are Tottenham fans as well as Billionaires.

We had people sniffing not too long ago. Do you know they would be brick owners. One thing is for certain, I doubt very much Levy would sell to a macaron.

Finally, did you know that Levy and Lewis would be good owners in your eyes when they bought a majority sharehold, especially when at the time a certain club director of one of the clubs owned by ENIC was slating ENIC as the antichrist.

 

[Superhudd]

Is it even legal for us to offer Archway loads of money to move? Obviously can offer before the CPO process, however once that had started then as the CPO was from the council not from us, not sure how that would work.

Ronaldo to Man Utd
Suarez to Barcelona, Torres to Chelsea
A player a year from arsenal
Even Chelsea will cash in on a Luiz if the money is high enough.

Every team that has to worry about finances or player power its not just us.

I have still yet to see the owner named who is the perfect role-model and an example how you would like our club to be run?

Once the CPO was under a go, I would say yes it would be illegal, but like I said.. once the CPO had started.. it should be bare minimum payout by Haringey.

Prior to CPO it would not have been illegal, as the matter was always between club and Archway. I believe in a recent statement the club said it had been in negotiations since it took ownership from Sugar!... 14 years!


I have no idea what is meant by the players.