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http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/n...-ferrari-attended-team-training-camp-in-2013/

Nibali, Astana under further scrutiny after claims Michele Ferrari attended team training camp in 2013
Shane Stokes - December 9, 2014

Vincenzo Nibali made repeated denials during this year’s Tour de France that he had ever met Michele Ferrari, but that insistence is under the microscope today after La Gazzetta dello Sport reported that the banned doctor had attended a team training camp in November 2013.

According to the Italian paper, Ferrari attended the team hotel in Montecatini Terme thirteen months ago. Unbeknownst to the team, so too did anti-doping investigators, who reportedly have photographs of the doctor talking to various members of the team.

Under CONI’s rules, anyone working with Ferrari since 2002 is liable to a suspension. In addition to that, La Gazzetta states that licence holders are obliged to inform sporting authorities if they even see Ferrari.

USADA issued a lifetime ban against the doctor in 2012 over his work with Lance Armstrong and the US Postal Service team.

It has confirmed that Nibali was in attendance at the Astana training camp in question.

The newspaper hasn’t made clear where these photos will be used, whether they are simply for the ongoing Padova investigation in Italy or if copies have been presented to the UCI Licence Commission currently scrutinising the team after a spate of positive tests in recent months.

WorldTour team riders Valentin and Maxim Iglinskiy both tested positive for EPO in August, while three riders with the Continental squad – namely Kazakhstan’s national champion Ilya Davidenok, Artur Fedosseyev and Victor Okishev all tested positive for anabolic androgenic steroids.

Davidenok has been a stagiaire with the WorldTour team since August.

Those positives prompted the UCI to instruct its Licence Commission to examine the teams and to decide if there were grounds to take action. That commission is due to announce its findings this week, and could in theory refuse to give Astana a licence for 2015.

General manager Alexandre Vinokourov has said that the Continental team has been put on hold, but hasn’t made clear if it could restart.

Today’s claim that Ferrari met team members in November last year is a further blow to the team’s prospects.

The news comes days after a report in La Repubblica claimed that there was a link between Ferrari and the Astana team.

It said that various members of the team were implicated by the four year Padova investigation, which has been handed over to the Italian Olympic Committee CONI. The report runs to 550 pages and apparently includes the names of a large number of current and former riders.

Banned race walker Alex Schwarzer has cooperated with investigators after his own positive test and has reportedly implicated others.

He said that when he met Ferrari on Mount Teide in the Canary islands in 2010, that he saw a sheet of paper with Ferrari’s handwriting mentioning the names of Stefano Garzelli, Francesco Masciarelli and Leonardo Bertagnolli on it. In addition to that, he said he personally saw those riders at the hotel too.

Current and former Astana riders Michele Scarponi, Enrico Gasparotto, Vladimir Gusev and Evgeni Petrov himself have all been linked to Ferrari by investigations. As for Vinokourov, he worked with the banned doctor in the past. The now-retired rider admitted in a press conference prior to the start of the 2007 Tour de France that he used the doctor as his coach.

He insisted that there was nothing untoward about their dealings, but he tested positive for a banned blood transfusion in that race and was handed a two year ban.

According to La Gazzetta, 90 riders are named in the Padova report, including some who were previously unsuspected. It adds that links between Nibali and Ferrari haven’t been found.

Those 90 names may take time to emerge, but Astana’s future vis-à-vis the UCI WorldTour licence will become clearer in the coming days.

If photos do indeed prove the team was visited by Ferrari, the chances of remaining within the top division of the sport are looking very shaky indeed.






Posted in July
Modric THFC said:
Nibali has been rumoured to be using Armstrong's doctor Ferrari. His performances have improved ridiculously in the last two seasons when he's joined Astana, a team banned from the 2008 tour because of blood doping, who have had high profile dopers like Armstrong, Contador and Vinokourov as team leader. Astana can afford (Kazak oil money) to put him on a better doping program than what he was on before.

Ultimately you can microdose EPO without an EPO test picking it up.
The main weapon is the overhyped Bio passport. This builds up a profile a riders blood values over a few year and is supposed to pick up anomalies.
But the test is subjective. Its not either positive or negative. A panel have to agree.

Ultimately its give riders a blood value target to stay within. They know they can dope up to a level and never be caught by the passport.
Also the test done at altitude produce anomalies. So we end up with riders doing training camps at altitude knowing any test done can be discarded on the passport. We have the testers not bothering turning up in Tenerife where Contador and Froome were both training for months earlier in the year.
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Modric THFC said:
Got the ****er!

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/n...-ferrari-attended-team-training-camp-in-2013/

Nibali, Astana under further scrutiny after claims Michele Ferrari attended team training camp in 2013
Shane Stokes - December 9, 2014

Vincenzo Nibali made repeated denials during this year’s Tour de France that he had ever met Michele Ferrari, but that insistence is under the microscope today after La Gazzetta dello Sport reported that the banned doctor had attended a team training camp in November 2013.

According to the Italian paper, Ferrari attended the team hotel in Montecatini Terme thirteen months ago. Unbeknownst to the team, so too did anti-doping investigators, who reportedly have photographs of the doctor talking to various members of the team.

Under CONI’s rules, anyone working with Ferrari since 2002 is liable to a suspension. In addition to that, La Gazzetta states that licence holders are obliged to inform sporting authorities if they even see Ferrari.

USADA issued a lifetime ban against the doctor in 2012 over his work with Lance Armstrong and the US Postal Service team.

It has confirmed that Nibali was in attendance at the Astana training camp in question.

The newspaper hasn’t made clear where these photos will be used, whether they are simply for the ongoing Padova investigation in Italy or if copies have been presented to the UCI Licence Commission currently scrutinising the team after a spate of positive tests in recent months.

WorldTour team riders Valentin and Maxim Iglinskiy both tested positive for EPO in August, while three riders with the Continental squad – namely Kazakhstan’s national champion Ilya Davidenok, Artur Fedosseyev and Victor Okishev all tested positive for anabolic androgenic steroids.

Davidenok has been a stagiaire with the WorldTour team since August.

Those positives prompted the UCI to instruct its Licence Commission to examine the teams and to decide if there were grounds to take action. That commission is due to announce its findings this week, and could in theory refuse to give Astana a licence for 2015.

General manager Alexandre Vinokourov has said that the Continental team has been put on hold, but hasn’t made clear if it could restart.

Today’s claim that Ferrari met team members in November last year is a further blow to the team’s prospects.

The news comes days after a report in La Repubblica claimed that there was a link between Ferrari and the Astana team.

It said that various members of the team were implicated by the four year Padova investigation, which has been handed over to the Italian Olympic Committee CONI. The report runs to 550 pages and apparently includes the names of a large number of current and former riders.

Banned race walker Alex Schwarzer has cooperated with investigators after his own positive test and has reportedly implicated others.

He said that when he met Ferrari on Mount Teide in the Canary islands in 2010, that he saw a sheet of paper with Ferrari’s handwriting mentioning the names of Stefano Garzelli, Francesco Masciarelli and Leonardo Bertagnolli on it. In addition to that, he said he personally saw those riders at the hotel too.

Current and former Astana riders Michele Scarponi, Enrico Gasparotto, Vladimir Gusev and Evgeni Petrov himself have all been linked to Ferrari by investigations. As for Vinokourov, he worked with the banned doctor in the past. The now-retired rider admitted in a press conference prior to the start of the 2007 Tour de France that he used the doctor as his coach.

He insisted that there was nothing untoward about their dealings, but he tested positive for a banned blood transfusion in that race and was handed a two year ban.

According to La Gazzetta, 90 riders are named in the Padova report, including some who were previously unsuspected. It adds that links between Nibali and Ferrari haven’t been found.

Those 90 names may take time to emerge, but Astana’s future vis-à-vis the UCI WorldTour licence will become clearer in the coming days.

If photos do indeed prove the team was visited by Ferrari, the chances of remaining within the top division of the sport are looking very shaky indeed.






Posted in July
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I will never give up on the sport but I am not naive to believe it is clean.

Done a 35 cycle round where I live, as I am living in another part of sussex I get to do a few new routes. Bloody good to blow the cobwebs away this morning.
 
Just ordered this badboy, gets delivered end Jan.
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First race of the season next week in Argentina I am putting money down on cav, he trained harder in the off season then ever before. He can do it I know he can.
 
What's your predictions for the season ahead then chich? Been quite a few riders changing teams it seems. Will we see nibali Quintana froome and contador go head to head in one of the grand tours?
 
WestBerkshire said:
What's your predictions for the season ahead then chich? Been quite a few riders changing teams it seems. Will we see nibali Quintana froome and contador go head to head in one of the grand tours?
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I will be interested to see if Nibali will be allowed to race this year. If he is then I think he will win the Tour de France I can not see Froome challenging him, Contador is not the same rider now he is clean.

I think sadly that Kittel will win most stages in the Tour de France because he has the best lead out train and I think cav will pick up stages most probably after the mountains. I also am very interested in what cav can do in Milan-San Remo as well.

Should be interesting season, I just hope to GHod with the change in points allocation that Sagan does not win the green jersey.
 
WestBerkshire said:
i Love watching it but not totally clued up on it what evidence would indicate to this is it to do with team mates being found out as dopers or do some of his actual performances indicate to it? Sorry if that sounds stupid really trying to get more and more into it atm. I did in the mean time see this online this afternoon

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...ule-revealed-fewer-racing-days-italian-152259
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That is a good cycle programme with the major classics covered. I think the classics are just as important as the grand tours and very interesting to watch. I am going to be in Nice for the final day of Paris-Nice. It is so easy to get to on easyjet and just an hour flight.

Edit: can not find the articles on Nibbles but the is some very troubling information going around about him and some of the people he is linked to, doctor etc. Also his sudden improvement in time trailing is suspicious. Bit like Froome's really.
 
I was in perigeux last summer saw the time trial on the finals Saturday was brilliant to watch the atmosphere was really good. Thinking of going over and watching paris roubaix this year not far from Calais at all really and there is a stage of the cobbles you can ride on the Saturday what I really want to do tho is watch one of the alpine stages in the tour or preferably the giro reckon that would be quality.
Slightly changing the subject but are there any books you'd recommend to read on cycling?
 
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