Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Raphael Honigstein ‏@honigstein
Sherwood was bordering on the delusional in the press conference. "We was not not outnumbered in midfield, we wasn't."

Raphael Honigstein ‏@honigstein
When pushed again, Sherwood then changed tack: "Okay, but we outnumbered them on the flanks." #strange

 

[Modric THFC]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

It was clearly 442 to me. It's ok to imagine that it should've been 451... but in reality it was 442.

Fact is we were outnumbered in the middle and had no supply for 90 minutes, and tis didn't try anything excepted going wide.

What else could he do given the injuries? Plenty! Think Bolton stoke and the likes. what about sitting back inviting deep with 2 banks of four and counter attacking with speed....

Sherwood may have decided to stick to 442 for good reasons, but you can't say he didn't have options tactically.

It was a traditional 442 though. Eriksen was only on the left when he had to stick to sagna going forward. When we switched to 4231 we didnt look any better.
We didnt take our chances in a though away game.
Only thing I'm annoyed about is not having a proper go when they were down to ten men. We should have taken off a defender at that stage with nothing to lose.

 

[africanspurs]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Are you surprised? unfortunately this is the biggest reason that I think Levy ****ed up with appointing TS.

With a name/brand, people are far more likely to accept the person's experience/achievements as indicators that they can/will get it right.

Every time TS losses, he will be under the spotlight, questions on naivety, tactics, systems, player choices, subs, because he is an unknown quantity.

Personally, I think it has him doomed to failure .. the inevitable blip in fortune will come .. I expect he's gone in summer.

LOL

whatever man, i read your post i see myself post harry sacking and when we appointed this pretty little boy on a couple of years experience managing world class players in the a turgid league and getting some kind of recognition from it.

do i blame you people for what you are doing??!!!

AB-SO-LU-TE-LY!!!

its not my fault you cant back the manager and but want rather some kind of foreign flavour of the month dude

do you and i'll do me.

Tim sherwood at the helm? Tim sherwood has my support...as if i am going to get on his case for losing to the league leaders at their ground with all their stability and system and continuity and top class technical players fizzing about the place...1 loss in like 6 games and that loss is given a factor of -10000000 and the wins only get +.0001

No thanks , am not with you on this

edit:- oh and that attitude is the picture definition of hypocrisy

(see you guys in a week)

 

[elltrev]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Raphael Honigstein ‏@honigstein
Sherwood was bordering on the delusional in the press conference. "We was not not outnumbered in midfield, we wasn't."

Raphael Honigstein ‏@honigstein
When pushed again, Sherwood then changed tack: "Okay, but we outnumbered them on the flanks." #strange

Gotta say, find his comments about outnumbering them on the flanks a bit weird.

Likewise with his emphasis on retaining possession despite playing 4-4-2. There were lots of times our defenders had no choice but to hit long passes due to having two strikers.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

It was a traditional 442 though. Eriksen was only on the left when he had to stick to sagna going forward. When we switched to 4231 we didnt look any better.
We didnt take our chances in a though away game.
Only thing I'm annoyed about is not having a proper go when they were down to ten men. We should have taken off a defender at that stage with nothing to lose.

I agree. We didn't have many, but against a team as good as them, on their home turf, we needed to be ruthless. The Eriksen chance especially -- to score first would have made a huge difference to us, imo.

 

[Modric THFC]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Raphael Honigstein ‏@honigstein
Sherwood was bordering on the delusional in the press conference. "We was not not outnumbered in midfield, we wasn't."

Raphael Honigstein ‏@honigstein
When pushed again, Sherwood then changed tack: "Okay, but we outnumbered them on the flanks." #strange

We weren't though as much as i'd expected. Eriksen was in there often enough with dembele and bentalab. We lost the game with Dawson and Chiriches against Walcott.

 

[indospurs]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Are you surprised? unfortunately this is the biggest reason that I think Levy ****ed up with appointing TS.

With a name/brand, people are far more likely to accept the person's experience/achievements as indicators that they can/will get it right.

Every time TS losses, he will be under the spotlight, questions on naivety, tactics, systems, player choices, subs, because he is an unknown quantity.

Personally, I think it has him doomed to failure .. the inevitable blip in fortune will come .. I expect he's gone in summer.

Amazing, truly amazing. But, what I do wonder is if TS is given a budget to buy players as well as blood the youth, what the squad would look like.

Coz I think with everyone fit, we have a great squad now.

BUT I wouldn't be surprised if he did get the sack in the summer and Levy got someone else in. That's the way we operate I feel. The 18 months contract just ensures Tim receives more in getting paid out than if he agreed till season's end. We don't do patience or being realistic which saddens me no end. But at least the quality of our buys is a hell of a lot better overall.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

On a brighter note, if Liverpool lose away at Stoke, and we can beat Palace at home next weekend, we'll go above them in the league.

 

[Mumorn]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

On a brighter note, if Liverpool lose away at Stoke, and we can beat Palace at home next weekend, we'll go above them in the league.

Lets concentrate on beating Palace at home, due to us playing a day before Liverpool, we'll go ahead of them anyway

 

[DHSF]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

We weren't though as much as i'd expected. Eriksen was in there often enough with dembele and bentalab. We lost the game with Dawson and Chiriches against Walcott.

Precisely and anyone knew that before the game... hell even I kinda predicted it. Walnutt cause our defense to drop deep, our midfield out to have followed suit but didnt hence the gaping hole. There were three in that midfield but they didnt 'transition' so to speak.

I think its just ultimately we looked mentally fatigued, leggy and physically exhausted.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Lets concentrate on beating Palace at home, due to us playing a day before Liverpool, we'll go ahead of them anyway

I'm happy with that for now!

 

[africanspurs]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I don't agree that it means Sherwood is found out but I do agree that it felt like watching a mid-table Tottenham vs a top of the table Arsenal side today. Was not impressed at all. I'm hoping it's because of the fixture congestion and injuries though.

i dont believe i am reading this...

thats what its normally like down there anyway..aside from the game this season and a couple of others . it is genuinely like what you saw today

 

[Mumorn]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm happy with that for now!

Hope the players just forget about everything around them and concentrate on games we have. I hope they don't have in their mind "Oh, if we win today and Liverpool lose tomorrow, we stay above them".

I want that mentality of lets win our game.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

i dont believe i am reading this...

thats what its normally like down there anyway..aside from the game this season and a couple of others . it is genuinely like what you saw today

Even when we beat them 2-3, we were all over the place in the first half. 2-0 down and being totally outplayed, Bale got us back into it soon after half-time. Then we got a penalty gifted to us by the Fabregas handball, and a winner when Kaboom headed in from a free-kick. I can't ever remember us going there and dominating them over the course of 90 minutes.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

i dont believe i am reading this...

thats what its normally like down there anyway..aside from the game this season and a couple of others . it is genuinely like what you saw today

Don't agree. I see why you feel people have been hypocritical over Harry / AVB but I feel like it myself today, people that would have ****ged this performance no end had AVB been in charge have pretty much given it a shrug of the shoulders this time around. I even understand the reasons why, and I do like Sherwood, but I am curious why people are accepting of the performance today and calling it good, and calling similar ones under AVB turgid, boring etc.

I've seen redeeming qualities from the team in the last few times we've been to the Emirates. Either we've started well and genuinely threatened their goal, or we've controlled the ball well. We've always had something. Today though, I don't think we controlled the ball, I don't think we created chances, and I don't think we defended well at any point. We offered absolutely nothing today, where as before, under both Harry and AVB we've at least offered something.

I really like Sherwood. I think it's quite interesting that the likes of Honigstein, Castles and Wilson are against Sherwood just like the likes of Ashton are for him. It's all nonsense as the 'clever' journos seem to think there is only one way to play the game and that's the modern continental way, but I think Sherwood has some good ideas from the looks of it. But today, I really don't think we were any good at all. This isn't a comment on Sherwood's management whatsoever, I just think the players didn't impose themselves at all. We were bad and had no redeeming qualities. If Arsenal wanted to stick 4 behind us they could have.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

And he hasn't been able to pick Sandro or Vertonghen, only had Paulinho for one game, Lamela has got injured...let's at least have the full compliment of players available! His one game with Paulinho, he got more out of him than AVB ever managed to.

Absolutely true.

I have grown to respect his resolution and single-mindedness. He doesn't pfaff around. And in fairness, if we'd taken one of the three VERY CLEAR chances we had today (especially the early one) it could well have been different.

I absolutely never EVER believe you can go to the deathstar and play 4-4-2, and will forever think 4-5-1 is the route when going there, but we did end up dropping into that shape at times, and besides, the most salient point I've read thus far was from DHSF in one thread where he pointed out that these specific players are cream-crackered because we have had a lot of injuries and have not been able to rest/rotate.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Absolutely true.

I have grown to respect his resolution and single-mindedness. He doesn't pfaff around. And in fairness, if we'd taken one of the three VERY CLEAR chances we had today (especially the early one) it could well have been different.

I absolutely never EVER believe you can go to the deathstar and play 4-4-2, and will forever think 4-5-1 is the route when going there, but we did end up dropping into that shape at times, and besides, the most salient point I've read thus far was from DHSF in one thread where he pointed out that these specific players are cream-crackered because we have had a lot of injuries and have not been able to rest/rotate.

Can you tell me beyond Eriksen's chance which ones were the 'VERY CLEAR' ones? I saw none.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Precisely and anyone knew that before the game... hell even I kinda predicted it. Walnutt cause our defense to drop deep, our midfield out to have followed suit but didnt hence the gaping hole. There were three in that midfield but they didnt 'transition' so to speak.

I think its just ultimately we looked mentally fatigued, leggy and physically exhausted.

The two biggest problems we had were when this did not happen. The first goal was us getting caught and with the defence too high up, the second…well…

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

On the point of injuries, I think it might be a sort-of blessing in that we can get a semblance of a regular line-up.

We know who the keeper is.
We know who the fullbacks are.
We know who the forwards are.

Midfield is still a bit up for grabs, but it seems as if he's happy with 1 winger and 1 'drifter' (the wonky), with 2 centre mids. Lamela, Sandro, Townsend and Paulinho might change the makeup of those 4 positions though.

But generally, we have something that is starting to gel. The 2 forwards, in particular, look very promising as a pair.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Can you tell me beyond Eriksen's chance which ones were the 'VERY CLEAR' ones? I saw none.

Ade's in the second half was for me; any true connection and it's in (there again, he made the chance with great control)…Soldado in the first half was, for me, a clear clear opp. 16 yards out with time and no-one near…

Perhaps I'm a critic…oh, wait...:lol: