****OMT - TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs WOOLWICH ARSEnal****

[Kingdawson]

disagree with this....no where near our worst peformance their.

Not going to make any excuses regarding injuries/tiredness/fitness....

We were outclassed for long periods but at 1-0 the game is still on for us.......except Rose decides to pirouette rather than pass to at least three clear options.....We knew they would have more of the ball........We have to stop gifting goals.......we are really poor when we get pressed high up effectively.

Worst performance my ass. There's been games where we created diddly squat at the Emirates (the 3-0 springs to mind)

 

[Nigeyman]

I know they're a top side, but I felt we'd always shown glimpses that we could compete with them. Today we were awful.

It is funny though, I didn't want to make this about AVB but since he's been mentioned, there weren't many saying 'they are a top side, we just have to accept it' after we lost there 1-0 earlier in the season. There was a lot more of a negative response to that performance than there has been to this, which I find strange.

I accept we have injuries, I accept it's been a hard run with not much rest and we just busted a gut at Old Trafford. But I do think we were very poor and I am surprised at the positivity after the performance today. We didn't once look seriously threatening.

You are an intelligent poster....so please tell me.....should we have gone 1-0 up????? my thoughts are we should and Eriksen missed a sitter.....game could be completely different if we take an early lead as we SHOULD have done...... Also Ade's airkick at 1-0 down.....he should have made contact...again 1-1 game changes....

Dont get me wrong on balance of everything they were the better team and DID outclass us for periods of the game......

however Rose's brainfart giftwrapped the win.

So please dont say we never looked threatening......because thats very wrong in my opinion.

 

[SteveAWOL]

I know they're a top side, but I felt we'd always shown glimpses that we could compete with them. Today we were awful.

It is funny though, I didn't want to make this about AVB but since he's been mentioned, there weren't many saying 'they are a top side, we just have to accept it' after we lost there 1-0 earlier in the season. There was a lot more of a negative response to that performance than there has been to this, which I find strange.

I accept we have injuries, I accept it's been a hard run with not much rest and we just busted a gut at Old Trafford. But I do think we were very poor and I am surprised at the positivity after the performance today. We didn't once look seriously threatening.

Now you know how many of the rest of us felt after recent games under AVB... one fan' threat is another fan' boredom... :-k

 

[Kingdawson]

I know they're a top side, but I felt we'd always shown glimpses that we could compete with them. Today we were awful.

It is funny though, I didn't want to make this about AVB but since he's been mentioned, there weren't many saying 'they are a top side, we just have to accept it' after we lost there 1-0 earlier in the season. There was a lot more of a negative response to that performance than there has been to this, which I find strange.

I accept we have injuries, I accept it's been a hard run with not much rest and we just busted a gut at Old Trafford. But I do think we were very poor and I am surprised at the positivity after the performance today. We didn't once look seriously threatening.

Ok i'll help you not find it strange:

Kaboul
Vertonghen
Sandro
Paulinho
Townsend
Lamela
Holtby
Sigurdsson

all injured.

 

[Nigeyman]

Worst performance my ass. There's been games where we created diddly squat at the Emirates (the 3-0 springs to mind)

er I think your post may have been aimed at BOL...

if so......no probs dude....

if not......WTF you smoking??

 

[Mumorn]

good GHod.

 

[THFC6061]

There will be those who will say that now we're out of both Domestic Cup competitions, we can concentrate on improving our Premier League position and the Europa League, so in a way it's a good thing.

But I'm not one of them.

It stinks to lose to Arsenal and have no chance of winning a Domestic Trophy for yet another season.

 

[Nigeyman]

good GHod.

I hear Spudophobia is quite rife this time of year...

 

[Nigeyman]

There will be those who will say that now we're out of both Domestic Cup competitions, we can concentrate on improving our Premier League position and the Europa League, so in a way it's a good thing.

But I'm not one of them.

It stinks to lose to Arsenal and have no chance of winning a Domestic Trophy for yet another season.

Agreed...It sucks donkey di*k

only benefit is more time on training pitch...to work on defence and set pieces....

 

[DubaiSpur]

We did alright. I saw Dembele doing what he could riling wiltshire. I saw Ade desperate to break someone's legs but not wanting to get another red. I saw Soldado try to kick the sh1t our of wilt****e - why does everyone want to? answer he's a classless moaning ****

Dignity does not make or break your game. It does not stop anger or commitment. It does however keep your integrity. I know many arsenal fans who used to support liverpool as kids and switched. Others who are from australia and have jumped onto the bandwagon but talk shyte and have no style; and to be fair I know a few older goons who are generally a nicer, 'truer' type.

Would I like Spurs to be like them? Glory hunting, overpaid upstart stars who can't conduct themselves with any dignity?Would I like our fans to have the same glory hunting ****s? Would I like us to be Stoke under Pulis? Make your own call.


As for walcot, it lacked class, but its theatre. The fans get that. No big deal.

Right. Like I said, that won't win you anything in the modern era. I don't think anyone could ever call one of Ferguson's sides 'dignified', what with their constant haranguing of the referee, their sly fouls, their fans roaring at Old Trafford when a decision went against them, their manager fuming and spewing at the final whistle if the result wasn't what he wanted. But they will go down in history as possibly the greatest collection of sides any single club has had in the English game, with him going down as the greatest manager England has ever seen and Manchester United going down as one of the most successful sides England has ever seen.

We, on the other hand, will likely go down as the perennial underachievers, who have rarely won anything of note, rarely lasted the whole way over the course of a campaign, and rarely if ever had things go our own way. Will history remember that we were 'dignifed' in the way we conducted ourselves on the field? That we exuded 'quiet anger', but controlled ourselves because of our desire to be seen as the better men? That we only ever had loyal, faithful, ever-true fans instead of those evil glory-hunters?

Bull****. History will remember that we failed, and failed miserably: that is all history will remember.

I would take glory-hunters in our fanbase, I would take constantly angry upstart stars hounding the referee over the slightest error, I would take a manager unafraid to savage referees and officials post-match, and I would take our lads being called 'dirty' and 'classless'. I would take it all as long as we played a footballing style that excited our fans, and one that stayed true to the 'pass and move' philosophy we helped create. Do you know why? Because all those things would merely prove that we had become successful: that we were a team that made opponents tremble, one that made referees quiver, one that made opposition fans resort to smears and sneering laughs about our 'lack of class' because they had nothing else to rile us about.

I would exchange our dignity for passion, for relentless determination, for a pursuit of the three points or the win that goes far, far beyond what is considered 'proper' and 'dignified', because that is what every other top team (every team, from Barcelona to Bayern Munich) does to stay on top. I want us to get with the program.

I would take a bit of this, for starters.

 

[onlyme]

There will be those who will say that now we're out of both Domestic Cup competitions, we can concentrate on improving our Premier League position and the Europa League, so in a way it's a good thing.

But I'm not one of them.

It stinks to lose to Arsenal and have no chance of winning a Domestic Trophy for yet another season.

All AVB's fault. If Ade is match fit we can see out the WHU game and he does not have to run himself into the ground in all our Xmas fixtures and is ready for the game today.

AVB's treatment of Ade has cost us big style this season. But that is the past. No more AVB stuff. Any mistakes that are made now are down to TS.

 

[Nigeyman]

Right. Like I said, that won't win you anything in the modern era. I don't think anyone could ever call one of Ferguson's sides 'dignified', what with their constant haranguing of the referee, their sly fouls, their fans roaring at Old Trafford when a decision went against them, their manager fuming and spewing at the final whistle if the result wasn't what he wanted. But they will go down in history as possibly the greatest collection of sides any single club has had in the English game, with him going down as the greatest manager England has ever seen and Manchester United going down as one of the most successful sides England has ever seen.

We, on the other hand, will likely go down as the perennial underachievers, who have rarely won anything of note, rarely lasted the whole way over the course of a campaign, and rarely if ever had things go our own way. Will history remember that we were 'dignifed' in the way we conducted ourselves on the field? That we exuded 'quiet anger', but controlled ourselves because of our desire to be seen as the better men? That we only ever had loyal, faithful, ever-true fans instead of those evil glory-hunters?

Bull****. History will remember that we failed, and failed miserably: that is all history will remember.

I would take glory-hunters in our fanbase, I would take constantly angry upstart stars hounding the referee over the slightest error, I would take a manager unafraid to savage referees and officials post-match, and I would take our lads being called 'dirty' and 'classless'. I would take it all as long as we played a footballing style that excited our fans, and one that stayed true to the 'pass and move' philosophy we helped create. Do you know why? Because all those things would merely prove that we had become successful: that we were a team that made opponents tremble, one that made referees quiver, one that made opposition fans resort to smears and sneering laughs about our 'lack of class' because they had nothing else to rile us about.

I would exchange our dignity for passion, for relentless determination, for a pursuit of the three points or the win that goes far, far beyond what is considered 'proper' and 'dignified', because that is what every other top team (every team, from Barcelona to Bayern Munich) does to stay on top. I want us to get with the program.

I would take a bit of this, for starters.

posts like this make it worth coming on here for.......nice Dubai....

I agree all of that is not in our DNA....Though I am interested to see what we are like if timmy does indeed get a bit of time......as I think he could have the nasty winning mentality we need.....proof in the pudding will be the NLD at WHL....hopefully the players will hurt and remember Walcotts antics and try and give something fuc*ing back!!

 

[thfcsteff]

This is why you are just an armchair expert.


He has always been horrible in positioning, and his fantastic form in attack does nothing to change that. There are many right backs in this league who are miles ahead of him as an overall player, and I want something better than what he gives us.


I wouldn't change loyalties. Why do you so easily assume he would?


Likewise.

I just listened, with interest, to Clive Allen ****ging Walker for being caught upfield and making his return run too central. Two things I would argue…

1) The Dawson factor. We were caught EXACTLY where Daws gets done; about 10 yards outside the box playing higher. Daws got caught in two places, and looked to me like he stepped up a fraction too late hoping to bale himself out with an offside call.

2) There HAS to be some communication, to wit, when Walker IS upfield, Daws cannot try a high-line game when the ball is lost. The split SECOND that ball is lost, he HAS to drop off 5 yards and try to earn a couple of extra seconds to allow Walker to get back. It's obvious Walker has a remit to go.

The one thing I have yet to see (must watch another replay) is where Lennon is at the moment of transition as he is usually excellent at tracking back and covering thus not having to rely on Daws to play a little smarter.

Honestly though, the goons must've wet themselves when they saw that moment unfolding.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Right. Like I said, that won't win you anything in the modern era. I don't think anyone could ever call one of Ferguson's sides 'dignified', what with their constant haranguing of the referee, their sly fouls, their fans roaring at Old Trafford when a decision went against them, their manager fuming and spewing at the final whistle if the result wasn't what he wanted. But they will go down in history as possibly the greatest collection of sides any single club has had in the English game, with him going down as the greatest manager England has ever seen and Manchester United going down as one of the most successful sides England has ever seen.

We, on the other hand, will likely go down as the perennial underachievers, who have rarely won anything of note, rarely lasted the whole way over the course of a campaign, and rarely if ever had things go our own way. Will history remember that we were 'dignifed' in the way we conducted ourselves on the field? That we exuded 'quiet anger', but controlled ourselves because of our desire to be seen as the better men? That we only ever had loyal, faithful, ever-true fans instead of those evil glory-hunters?

Bull****. History will remember that we failed, and failed miserably: that is all history will remember.

I would take glory-hunters in our fanbase, I would take constantly angry upstart stars hounding the referee over the slightest error, I would take a manager unafraid to savage referees and officials post-match, and I would take our lads being called 'dirty' and 'classless'. I would take it all as long as we played a footballing style that excited our fans, and one that stayed true to the 'pass and move' philosophy we helped create. Do you know why? Because all those things would merely prove that we had become successful: that we were a team that made opponents tremble, one that made referees quiver, one that made opposition fans resort to smears and sneering laughs about our 'lack of class' because they had nothing else to rile us about.

I would exchange our dignity for passion, for relentless determination, for a pursuit of the three points or the win that goes far, far beyond what is considered 'proper' and 'dignified', because that is what every other top team (every team, from Barcelona to Bayern Munich) does to stay on top. I want us to get with the program.

I would take a bit of this, for starters.

Are you seriously suggesting that Manu's many many great successes over the years under Ferguson were due to them moaning and fouling? If it was that easy everyone would be doing it. In fact most are, and what you describe is what happens up and down the country in football grounds most weeks.

A complete and absolute commitment to winning, which is maybe what you are getting at, starts with playing successful football.

 

[thfcsteff]

I remember the old days when fans and players exchanged regularly without near riots. Yeah, Walcott was stupid to do what he did in an age where everyone is looking for a chance to scream and roar, but I personally gave the likes of Sunderland, Young, Rix, Wright, the Donkey, Keown, Henry, Ljundberg and others (Nelson and David Price too, the c unts!) PLENTY of stick and never complained when the likes of Wrighty gave it back. It's getting far too 'nanny state' for my liking. It was, in the modern context, irresponsible by Walcott, but FFS, we need to man up and understand that if you abuse the enemy they might well show a 'human' side and give it back!

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Ok i'll help you not find it strange:

Kaboul
Vertonghen
Sandro
Paulinho
Townsend
Lamela
Holtby
Sigurdsson

all injured.

I understand we have injuries, which is why I'm not fearful of our future under Tim based on this game. But I am curious as to why most people are just shrugging this game off while others where we've been much better in have taken the rage of the fans.

 

[SpurMeUp]

..and ironically that gif is about having dignity - having the class to go and applaud the away fans after a game. As a German player they are brought up in a different footballing culture where fans rather than money count. That's not to say that German football is lacking is it? That's not to say that German teams lack bite?

 

[Nigeyman]

Are you seriously suggesting that Manu's many many great successes over the years under Ferguson were due to them moaning and fouling? If it was that easy everyone would be doing it. In fact most are, and what you describe is what happens up and down the country in football grounds most weeks.

A complete and absolute commitment to winning, which is maybe what you are getting at, starts with playing successful football.

It wasnt the Sole reason for their success but it was a key ingredient mixed in with other things.....

To play sucessful football you need a fervent desire to win....not cheat!!!! Look at Man Utd last season........were they the best squad??? or were they driven by a fanatical manager who demanded everything and got 10% more out of mediocre players.......I would like to see more from our players I must admit.....

However there were those that were not bothered about losing this game on this forum........so I guess some of the players felt the same....this should never be the case....

This hurts....and it should hurt enough that we work harder to try and get nearer to there level.

An inspiring Captain would be a start......

 

[BrainOfLevy]

You are an intelligent poster....so please tell me.....should we have gone 1-0 up????? my thoughts are we should and Eriksen missed a sitter.....game could be completely different if we take an early lead as we SHOULD have done...... Also Ade's airkick at 1-0 down.....he should have made contact...again 1-1 game changes....

Dont get me wrong on balance of everything they were the better team and DID outclass us for periods of the game......

however Rose's brainfart giftwrapped the win.

So please dont say we never looked threatening......because thats very wrong in my opinion.

Eriksen could have buried that chance, but as I said in my original post we were relying on lucky ricochets. If that was our best chance and we got it from the ball taking a lucky bounce off the Arsenal defender then I wouldn't have been confident we would see out the game had that gone in.

 

[Mumorn]