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Victimpool FC - Klopp leaving, grown men crying

clownfoot said:
Real Madrid C.F.

Can imagine in the next few weeks Zidane might start telling the assembled press that Suarez is the player he likes to watch the most, how he would be ideal for Madird etc. etc.
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So if they end up with Suarez, Bale and Ronaldo will that be the front three with the fewest passes in the world? I wouldn't bet against it.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Didn't see them smash the mighty Hull the other week?

They started off the season with some one nil wins, lost to Southampton but then beat the mighty United in a derby game. Since then they have lost to Arsenal and drew with Everton and Saudi Sportswashing Machine as top half teams.

They have beat teams that they should be beating IMO and spanked some of the poorer sides. They have also lost to the decent sides they have played other than Everton and that was a freaky game.

Sturridge is incredibly similar for me to Defoe, a very good finisher type but one that doesn't add any other real dimension to the team. Both are streaky all be it Sturridge has had a decent run this season.

Sturridge so far in his career has always had blocks of months off with injuries though where as Defoe hasn't. So Sturridge so far has looked good for less than 1 year in a Liverpool shirt (to use your analogy)

United, City and Chelsea have all won the league in the last 10 years and NOT been the best footballing sides. They mix it up when need be and play a mix of great football along with some ground out games.

The best footballing sides rarely win the big trophies as invariably it leaves weaknesses (that vary side to side).
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You can't use a one game sample as your argument FFS. Emirates Marketing Project have lost to Cardiff and Sunderland, Arsenal were beaten at home by Aston Villa. All good sides have bad day at the office. They have smashed most lesser teams in their way and to make top four that's what you have to do. Also, we got beaten 0-3 at home by West Ham United incase you forgot, hardly cause for celebration.

Yes, they drew at Everton and Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Hardly bad results. We drew at Everton and lost at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine (who have also beaten Chelsea and United). And in fairness to scousers they should have won their derby at Goodison, Mirallas should have been sent off at 1-2. Draws away at clubs like Everton and Saudi Sportswashing Machine are good results this season.

As I've said I love JD but he's always been overrated by our support and, to a larger extent, by the media. Sturridge was Chelsea's best player under AVB playing out of position IIRC. He has always had superior talent but was at the wrong clubs at the wrong times. We should have tried for him in January, he might have joined us cos we were in the race for 4th at that point. Another ship sailed...

I think some of our support should just accept they have overtaken us, the warning signs have been there since January cos they've had top four form in 2013 IIRC, while we relied on Bale to dig us out week after week.

Having said that I think we can beat them at home this weekend, I just looked on the injury site and it appears Sturridge, Gerrard and Enrique are out. If ever there was a good time to play Pool then it's now. I just hope we don't go with Daws against Suarez.
 
Lilywhite said:
You can't use a one game sample as your argument FFS. Emirates Marketing Project have lost to Cardiff and Sunderland, Arsenal were beaten at home by Aston Villa. All good sides have bad day at the office. They have smashed most lesser teams in their way and to make top four that's what you have to do. Also, we got beaten 0-3 at home by West Ham United incase you forgot, hardly cause for celebration.

Yes, they drew at Everton and Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Hardly bad results. We drew at Everton and lost at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine (who have also beaten Chelsea and United). And in fairness to scousers they should have won their derby at Goodison, Mirallas should have been sent off at 1-2. Draws away at clubs like Everton and Saudi Sportswashing Machine are good results this season.

As I've said I love JD but he's always been overrated by our support and, to a larger extent, by the media. Sturridge was Chelsea's best player under AVB playing out of position IIRC. He has always had superior talent but was at the wrong clubs at the wrong times. We should have tried for him in January, he might have joined us cos we were in the race for 4th at that point. Another ship sailed...

I think some of our support should just accept they have overtaken us, the warning signs have been there since January cos they've had top four form in 2013 IIRC, while we relied on Bale to dig us out week after week.

Having said that I think we can beat them at home this weekend, I just looked on the injury site and it appears Sturridge, Gerrard and Enrique are out. If ever there was a good time to play Pool then it's now. I just hope we don't go with Daws against Suarez.
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We've been saying that for the last few season when we've been to Anfield, there's always been someone missing for them (Suarez) or returning for us, like Lennon. Not quite worked out for us.
 
Lilywhite said:
You can't use a one game sample as your argument FFS. Emirates Marketing Project have lost to Cardiff and Sunderland, Arsenal were beaten at home by Aston Villa. All good sides have bad day at the office. They have smashed most lesser teams in their way and to make top four that's what you have to do. Also, we got beaten 0-3 at home by West Ham United incase you forgot, hardly cause for celebration.

Yes, they drew at Everton and Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Hardly bad results. We drew at Everton and lost at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine (who have also beaten Chelsea and United). And in fairness to scousers they should have won their derby at Goodison, Mirallas should have been sent off at 1-2. Draws away at clubs like Everton and Saudi Sportswashing Machine are good results this season.

As I've said I love JD but he's always been overrated by our support and, to a larger extent, by the media. Sturridge was Chelsea's best player under AVB playing out of position IIRC. He has always had superior talent but was at the wrong clubs at the wrong times. We should have tried for him in January, he might have joined us cos we were in the race for 4th at that point. Another ship sailed...

I think some of our support should just accept they have overtaken us, the warning signs have been there since January cos they've had top four form in 2013 IIRC, while we relied on Bale to dig us out week after week.

Having said that I think we can beat them at home this weekend, I just looked on the injury site and it appears Sturridge, Gerrard and Enrique are out. If ever there was a good time to play Pool then it's now. I just hope we don't go with Daws against Suarez.
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Come again?
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Come again?
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If I didnt know better I would guess this was a liverpoo fan on a wind up

They are a long way from catching up with the progress we have made. 23 games to be precise

As is said in my earlier post. They have thumped the teams they should but still lost to Hull

We lost to Saudi Sportswashing Machine but were the better side, Liverpool struggled still against 10 men although should have won in the end. Yep they just beat west Ham but west ham have played their cup final now and their season is over. We beat Hull so therefore we most be better using they same logic ?!?! What I'm saying is they haven't beaten anyone decent yet!!!! Let see what they do at the weekend

Their reliance in Suarez reminds me a hell of a lot of Bale last season and we know how that ended up!!!

The best players want to play for sides competing for trophies. IMO liverpool will not compete for anything other than possibly 4th place. It's why bale left us and Saurez will leave them.
 
Suárez will leave but not this January. It's a world cup year and he's not going to risk upsetting the apple cart. He ll finish the season there, play the world cup and then get his move.

And they ll get 60 million or so imo. Maybe more.
 
I think I am right in saying that Liverpool have only beaten one team in the top half (United) and have yet to play us, City or Chelsea, all of whom they play in the next three weeks.
They're playing well and scoring goals, but I would be amazed if they finish higher than 4th.
The papers seem to agree that 4-1 flattered them at the weekend and that when it was 2-1 it looked like West Ham would score next. If this is them playing above themselves, and i suspect it is, then we should finish above them. Saturday will be a good test.
 
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Liverpool have mostly played dross at home.

Hull have played all the top teams away (bar Liverpool), which is why they have done so well at home. Sunderland have played most of them at home, which is a big reason why they've got so few points.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Come again?
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My thoughts on AVB are well documented, you know I'm not too keen on him and think him playing such a boring style hasn't worked for us. We keep grinding out wins, 1-0s against Hull, Palace, Cardiff, Swansea and 2-1s against Fulham and Sunderland this week, all games that we have had to grind wins out having not played particularly well. Most of our players play better with space but due to the tactic employed by AVB they rarely get it, hence why I think we've had to rely on penalties and long shots to edge poor teams this season.

Which is why I give credit to Rodgers and Martinez at their respective scouse clubs. Both have their sides above us playing football far easier on the eye. I think Liverpool have overtaken us this calendar year, they have a very good team now and if we don't admit that then we're being silly. Same goes for Everton to a lesser extent, whom I don't think are better than us yet but could conceivably finish above us if they keep improving.

Is it wrong to say that two good teams are as good if not better than us? The evidence this season suggests they are. Liverpool have had winnable home games but that shouldn't be used as a stick to beat them with - you wouldn't see us beat teams while scoring four or five in the process. Also people here and the press in general aren't giving Everton enough plaudits, and do we really think our team is much better than theirs? I'd take our centre back options but think they have superior full backs, the midfields are similar in quality, we edge them on the wings but they have a better striker than ours.

I haven't worded it great but I think if we had either of the Liverpool based managers with our current team we would be doing better than we currently are, and looking alot better doing it.
 
I haven't watched much Liverpool this year, will Gerrard be missed? What's his standard like nowadays?
 
I've seen three of their last four tele games, he's nowhere near the level he was OFC but I think he still offers alot to them. He's got more creativity in his little toe than any of our central midfielders, but I think all of ours are more solid defensively than him. Everton exposed him in open play at times IIRC and I'd be confident of Lennon and Townsend doing so, but I'd rather he missed the game against us TBH.
 
Lilywhite said:
My thoughts on AVB are well documented, you know I'm not too keen on him and think him playing such a boring style hasn't worked for us. We keep grinding out wins, 1-0s against Hull, Palace, Cardiff, Swansea and 2-1s against Fulham and Sunderland this week, all games that we have had to grind wins out having not played particularly well. Most of our players play better with space but due to the tactic employed by AVB they rarely get it, hence why I think we've had to rely on penalties and long shots to edge poor teams this season.

Which is why I give credit to Rodgers and Martinez at their respective scouse clubs. Both have their sides above us playing football far easier on the eye. I think Liverpool have overtaken us this calendar year, they have a very good team now and if we don't admit that then we're being silly. Same goes for Everton to a lesser extent, whom I don't think are better than us yet but could conceivably finish above us if they keep improving.

Is it wrong to say that two good teams are as good if not better than us? The evidence this season suggests they are. Liverpool have had winnable home games but that shouldn't be used as a stick to beat them with - you wouldn't see us beat teams while scoring four or five in the process. Also people here and the press in general aren't giving Everton enough plaudits, and do we really think our team is much better than theirs? I'd take our centre back options but think they have superior full backs, the midfields are similar in quality, we edge them on the wings but they have a better striker than ours.

I haven't worded it great but I think if we had either of the Liverpool based managers with our current team we would be doing better than we currently are, and looking alot better doing it.
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I really can't bring myself to address most of this, it's been too long a day to start with.

But I'd I've to pick up on two points:

Unsurprisingly, all players play better in space - that's not AVB failing to match a system to our players.

And Liverpool aren't a good team, they're a very good player.
 
scaramanga said:
I really can't bring myself to address most of this, it's been too long a day to start with.

But I'd I've to pick up on two points:

Unsurprisingly, all players play better in space - that's not AVB failing to match a system to our players.

And Liverpool aren't a good team, they're a very good player.
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There a good side IMO... With Suarez potentially top 4 without him top 7

They have signed some decent players but also some who have done nothing before hand to warrant their fees e.g Sakho, the two Spaniards who were reserves but they did sign a great keeper although they did have one too

Their football has improved immensely but it was pretty drab at times (similar to ours) before hand.

I loved the comment trying to claim that everyone midfield was comparable to ours... It's no where near. mcArthy and Barry this year have been lucky to stay on the pitch for half their games due to poor refereeing and they only own one of them. Their centre backs are decent but Dustin is 37 I think and is hardly a long term player and their cover is **** poor in defence

Lukaku has been great but still shows massive scope for improvement and again they don't own him!!!
 
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Hootnow said:
Suárez will leave but not this January. It's a world cup year and he's not going to risk upsetting the apple cart. He ll finish the season there, play the world cup and then get his move.

And they ll get 60 million or so imo. Maybe more.
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That's a good point. But then again, his place in the Uruguay team is assured. Can't tell me he wouldn't jump at the chance if say Bayern made an offer and Liverpool accepted.
 
People forget you only need to win games against those from say 7 - 20th and that would be enough for top 4. Obviously you need to beat your rivals more for the title but beating the teams you are expected to beat will generally ensure you get 4th minimum.
 
Fair enough if they don't rate us based on this season's performances, I myself can't believe we're only 3 points behind them. But the thing that is utterly ridiculous is they have maintained over the years that they have been a better side than us, and us finishing above them for 4 straight seasons was nothing more than a fluke. Even if they believe that Bale was all that separated us from them last season, what about the other 3 seasons when he wasn't world class? Where would they be if Suarez left? We could finish above them for the next 10 years and they would still maintain they are superior.

Just read on RAWK that "every Spurs fan is also a United fan" :ross: It's rather a process of elimination. Who would we want to win the league? Arsenal? Forget it. Chelsea? Ditto. Emirates Marketing Project? No. Who else is left? I don't particularly like United, I just prefer them to Liverpool even United's fans are arrogant, they're not whinging, deluded victims who blame everybody but themselves for any shred of negativity that attaches itself to their club.
 
We really should have done to them what I had suggested a while ago

Fill their stadium with concrete whilst they're all in it. **** it, build a big **** off wall around Liverpool and fill it with concrete.
 
Jurgen the German said:
That's a good point. But then again, his place in the Uruguay team is assured. Can't tell me he wouldn't jump at the chance if say Bayern made an offer and Liverpool accepted.
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If Liverpool agree, he'll be off in a flash I agree. I just mean that he won't get up to any shenanigans to get that move this January.
 
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