*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Everton (Goodison Park, Sun 3rd Nov @ 13:30) ***

[Gazza Dazzla]

I think we are a defensive minded team. We want to dominate control of the game and use the basis of a strong defense. Our focus is discipline and when a chance comes take it. I truly believe if that Townsend/Sigi smashes in a screamer and we get 3 points that AVB would say job well done. We clearly have a problem attacking but I think with more focus on set pieces we could make up a lot of goals and with the assumption that Lamela and Soldado settle they'll start giving us the cutting edge.

Agree with this, lack of creativity is a worry at the moment, but we are solid as **** and we've still been picking up plenty of points, I think your analysis is correct.

 

[Armchair Expert]

Even with the quotations marks reasoning is a much too kind a description for this particular form of tabloid upchuck that has unfortunately been presented as a point of argument from several posters on here recently.

+1 on the thank you to Jordinho for bothering to deal with that rationally.

My my we are very superior today aren't we. I'm sure dismissing other fans valid and genuine opinions out of hand is an informed and enlightened means of discussion.

Well done to you.

 

[Joesh]

On a positive note i was impressed with the toughness of Lloris, he seems a slender, quiet guy but he did well to even get up from that challenge let alone demand to carry on. I wouldn't have fancied Brad for those last minutes. Possibly saved us the point.

An absolutely superb buy and i still cannot believe other top teams gave us a seemingly free run at him.

!00% agree, top man, top player. I couldnt understand how the home fans were booing him for needed treatment for getting clattered by Lukaku.

 

[Rune]

Can some of you please start supporting Chelsea or Arsenal? Spurs don´t need fans like you! We lost 4 of our best players in 12 months ffs. Then the club is trying to build a new squad with young players. Did you guys believe that 8-9 "new" players would gel at once? Off course everyone want more goals, but the team don't concede goals and we are 4th in the league with the same points as no. 2.
Stop the negativity!!

 

[Armchair Expert]

Can some of you please start supporting Chelsea or Arsenal? Spurs don´t need fans like you! We lost 4 of our best players in 12 months ffs. Then the club is trying to build a new squad with young players. Did you guys believe that 8-9 "new" players would gel at once? Off course everyone want more goals, but the team don't concede goals and we are 4th in the league with the same points as no. 2.
Stop the negativity!!

Some of us are still waiting for our Super Fan 5000 mail order kit to arrive in the post.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Some of us are still waiting for our Super Fan 5000 mail order kit to arrive in the post.

But likewise, being negative about everything doesn't make a fan anymore realistic, or lacking bias.

 

[braineclipse]

My my we are very superior today aren't we. I'm sure dismissing other fans valid and genuine opinions out of hand is an informed and enlightened means of discussion.

Well done to you.

Out of hand? Really? As if the topic of talking about money spent whilst ignoring the outgoing column is some new discussion topic that has just surfaced for the first time. Of course this is not something that anyone could ever have had the chance to put a moment's thought into.

Sometimes ridiculous opinions deserve to be treated with ridicule. Just because it's someone's opinion doesn't give the statement any intrinsic value. At least I have the common courtesy to aim my displeasure towards someone's actual opinion instead of some straw man.

 

[scaramanga]

I think the "disappointment" stems from Arsenal winning and so we needed to win which turns a good point in to 2 points lost.

It really doesn't work like that at all though.

If Arsenal win away at Everton then you could argue that we need to win away there too. When Arsenal have had the easiest beginning to a season on record and we're still within a few points, then winning isn't required.

 

[Armchair Expert]

Out of hand? Really? As if the topic of talking about money spent whilst ignoring the outgoing column is some new discussion topic that has just surfaced for the first time. Of course this is not something that anyone could ever have had the chance to put a moment's thought into.

Sometimes ridiculous opinions deserve to be treated with ridicule. Just because it's someone's opinion doesn't give the statement any intrinsic value. At least I have the common courtesy to aim my displeasure towards someone's actual opinion instead of some straw man.

I don't see any straw men being put up?
And i'm glad that its up to you to decide if someone's opinion has any intrinsic value or not. I guess the only opinion's with intrinsic value are those similar to your own.

I may be perceived as being negative, but at least I know that all opinions are of equal value and illicit different reactions from different people of varying mind sets. You seem to think some opinions deserve ridicule. Interesting.

Maybe there could be a sub forum for people who don't share your view, it could be like an online leper colony sort of thing.

EDIT: I would have thought as Spurs fans we could show each others opinons a modicum of respect, without feeling the need to ridicule others.

 

[Armchair Expert]

It really doesn't work like that at all though.

If Arsenal win away at Everton then you could argue that we need to win away there too. When Arsenal have had the easiest beginning to a season on record and we're still within a few points, then winning isn't required.

Or you could look at our performances in isolation, ignoring what Arsenal do, because frankly Arsenal have no bearing whatsoever on Tottenham v Everton imo.

 

[Joesh]

It really doesn't work like that at all though.

If Arsenal win away at Everton then you could argue that we need to win away there too. When Arsenal have had the easiest beginning to a season on record and we're still within a few points, then winning isn't required.

I'd fully agree with that, tbh I was trying to put in to context the general feeling of gloom after "losing" 2 points to a top side away from home.

 

[We are Tottenham]

Just because we got a lot of money for Bale doesn't mean we didn't pay money for players!!

We paid 32 million for Lamela. 32 MILLION!!! That's an absolute bucket load for us. Just because we were dealing in big figures this summer doesn't mean our players came free. Valencia banked 26 million for Soldado.

These are expensive players. I understand that gelling takes time but were also entitled to expect good players for those prices.

Saying that, I expect both Soldado and Lamela to become good players. The talk of a new striker is just nonsense. We cant pay 26 million for a striker (even thoug hsome think he was free somehow) and then not work on it to get it right, to get the correct supply into him.

watt about flogging Adebayor?

hes never going to be a reliable goalscorer.

In the circumstances we should take another dip in the transfer market come Jan...nothing to lose is there?....cept Joe's promised 50 million! LOL

 

[colin fishwick]

watt about flogging Adebayor?

hes never going to be a reliable goalscorer.

In the circumstances we should take another dip in the transfer market come Jan...nothing to lose is there?....cept Joe's promised 50 million! LOL

Lamela , yes I agree.

Soldado , been very poor so far, so maybe not. Would love our money back and a chance to sign a different striker . Remy looks a lot, lot better.

 

[Baleforce]

I'd fully agree with that, tbh I was trying to put in to context the general feeling of gloom after "losing" 2 points to a top side away from home.

i know what you are saying

imo, our target this season is to finish ahead of them (not just because its them but because they are the best of the non infinite bankroll clubs), every week we will naturally compare our result (and the points gap) against them

 

[braineclipse]

I don't see any straw men being put up?
And i'm glad that its up to you to decide if someone's opinion has any intrinsic value or not. I guess the only opinion's with intrinsic value are those similar to your own.

I may be perceived as being negative, but at least I know that all opinions are of equal value and illicit different reactions from different people of varying mind sets. You seem to think some opinions deserve ridicule. Interesting.

Maybe there could be a sub forum for people who don't share your view, it could be like an online leper colony sort of thing.

Since you asked. Perhaps you can find someone who said that "9 goals, three of them penalties, from 10 games is a good return." If you do find someone defending that opinion you can go have a look at the post from Colin on the last page and the post he quoted.

Of course when you're done with that you can go back and edit your post where you laughed at that 9 goals from 10 games opinion, wouldn't want to be seen laughing at someone's opinion as long as they actually genuinely hold it now would you? With that opinion being of equal value and all.

Yes, I do decide what holds value. For me! Just like you decided that my opinion was of little value to you. Of course when I share that opinion it is just that, my opinion. Not a particularly difficult concept.

Opinions, thoughts, sentences have value because of their content, not just because someone hold or state them. I don't subscribe to your relativistic view that all opinions are of equal value, I don't see how that could possibly be the case actually. But I suppose you hold your own opinion of equal value to that of an expert in the field being discussed? I certainly don't and your impression that I hold my own opinion as some gold standard is flawed.

 

[Armchair Expert]

Since you asked. Perhaps you can find someone who said that "9 goals, three of them penalties, from 10 games is a good return." If you do find someone defending that opinion you can go have a look at the post from Colin on the last page and the post he quoted.

Of course when you're done with that you can go back and edit your post where you laughed at that 9 goals from 10 games opinion, wouldn't want to be seen laughing at someone's opinion as long as they actually genuinely hold it now would you? With that opinion being of equal value and all.

Yes, I do decide what holds value. For me! Just like you decided that my opinion was of little value to you. Of course when I share that opinion it is just that, my opinion. Not a particularly difficult concept.

Opinions, thoughts, sentences have value because of their content, not just because someone hold or state them. I don't subscribe to your relativistic view that all opinions are of equal value, I don't see how that could possibly be the case actually. But I suppose you hold your own opinion of equal value to that of an expert in the field being discussed? I certainly don't and your impression that I hold my own opinion as some gold standard is flawed.

Well that's where we disagree. I read other peoples opinions and decide if I agree with them or not, not to decide if I should ridicule them.

Are there any experts on here then? I wasn't talking about me taking on Richard Dawkins in a debate about evolution. What you're doing there is taking the discussion out of context. My comment was based on the context of a message board, full of fans of the same club. Our qualifications for commenting in this thread being that we had just watched the same game of football. If you want to take the conversation to a philosophical debate about the relative quality of opinions based on subject expertise, then im not really interested.

What I find interesting is that you feel the need to ridicule other peoples opinions. And yes, your comment does suggest that you think your opinion is some kind of standard barer. At least in your own mind.

EDIT: and the comment of mine you were referring to was actually a sarcastic post agreeing with a supporter. It wasn't directly dirogartory to any one post or poster.

 

[scaramanga]

I'd fully agree with that, tbh I was trying to put in to context the general feeling of gloom after "losing" 2 points to a top side away from home.

Ah, fair enough then. I think context has been lost entirely by most today, but that seems par for the course over the last couple of seasons.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

I don't see any straw men being put up?
And i'm glad that its up to you to decide if someone's opinion has any intrinsic value or not. I guess the only opinion's with intrinsic value are those similar to your own.

I may be perceived as being negative, but at least I know that all opinions are of equal value and illicit different reactions from different people of varying mind sets. You seem to think some opinions deserve ridicule. Interesting.

Maybe there could be a sub forum for people who don't share your view, it could be like an online leper colony sort of thing.

EDIT: I would have thought as Spurs fans we could show each others opinons a modicum of respect, without feeling the need to ridicule others.

Well that's not true.

And it's 'elicit', btw.

 

[billyiddo]

You'd have thought someone who predicted a heavy loss would be rather pleased with a 0-0

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

So it seems Sandro got a knock and had to come off, that was the sub that totally baffled me..

Always wise to wait for facts to come out rather than slating a decision in the heat of the moment (not aimed at you btw).

It was like Moyes yesterday at HT... Everyone running him down but it transpired they picked up 3 injuries.