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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

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T-C said:
I don't think that is the case anymore. If there still is a limit then Wembley could just give up some slots from their concert schedule if the NFL brought in more money. An NFL season is only 8 games plus the playoffs.

More significantly, wasn't there an announcement from the club not long ago saying there wouldn't be a redesign? Doesn't quite fit with that email from KSS does it.
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I would rank that Spurs source quote alongside AVB, for instance, claiming last summer that we weren't interested in signing Hugo Lloris.

People at the club (and at other clubs and other companies, for that matter) are quite prepared to lie when it suits them - especially if they're trying to keep sensitive negotiations from public scrutiny.

Keirle, on the other hand, has no good reason to lie about this latest info. He might even enjoy making life a little uncomfortable for Spurs by prematurely spilling the beans on what's going on behind the scenes. Don't forget that we first heard about Populous taking over our stadium project through Keirle's original reply to RMB2007 (poster on Skys****ercity who emailed him). That info has subsequently been confirmed as true. So this new info has real weight and credibility, IMO.

I've never been convinced by the explanation that the change in architect was about nothing more than internal fit out. Didn't make sense to me. After all, everyone who's seen the new training centre (also designed by KSS) has confirmed that the level of finish is simply stunning. So I just don't buy the idea that KSS couldn't have delivered a market leading level of quality at the new stadium as well or that Spurs couldn't have worked with them to change whatever they wished to change about the original internal fit out plans.

It might be that Populous are working on two or three different options for the new stadium and that Keirle is only referring to one of those. But I would guess that major, not cosmetic, changes are afoot and that it's now highly likely that we will see an entirely new stadium design as and when Spurs are finally ready to make an announcement.
 
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LemonadeMoney said:
Would this explain the sliding pitch(s)? One for us, one for them, to avoid wear. Each club responsible for their own pitch?

Can't see where the pitch would go to, although wasn't there a world cup where the pitch came in hexagon segments, then fitted together in side the stadium?
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Yeah the logistics of the sliding pitch is tricky.

Another potential problem; NFL games are on Sundays as we play virtually all of our games on Sundays these days :lol:
 
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So frustrating reading this thread. Most of us are just guessing. Seems like it could be at least a year before work starts on the stadium. Someone please give me some positive news.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Yeah the logistics of the sliding pitch is tricky.

Another potential problem; NFL games are on Sundays as we play virtually all of our games on Sundays these days :lol:
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Wouldn't be that hard to schedule the NFL games (only 8 of them after all, plus maybe a couple of playoff games) for those weeks when Spurs are playing away.

NFL games are also played on Mondays and Thursdays but that might not work so well for London because a live TV event at, probably, 3pm Eastern time or midday on the West coast is unlikely to attract a big audience on a Monday.
 
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Rorschach said:
If Levy doesn't take this opportunity to build a secret lair under the pitch then he's not the evil genius I tagged him for.
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There is a stadium in France that's been recently built which has a theatre/club underneath the pitch and the pitch can swivel out to unveil it. Think it might be Lyon's. Looks pretty cool.
 
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P.D. said:
There is a stadium in France that's been recently built which has a theatre/club underneath the pitch and the pitch can swivel out to unveil it. Think it might be Lyon's. Looks pretty cool.
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It's Lille.

Half the pitch retracts on to the other half. That section is hidden by a partition and the remainder of the stadium converts into a basketball or tennis sized arena.

All a bit silly, IMO. Money would have been better spent on a separate, dedicated arena.
 
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The NFL pitch doesn't need to be turf, I'd imagine they would look at a system where the football pitch was sunk and a frame system placed ontop whilst the NFL pitch was a carpet like the indoor arenas have in the US, this then rolled out. I could imagine steel rods or large frame going under the west stand or east stand and even possibly under the highroad or school where they could be brought across when the pitch has sunk, this is all motorised. The pitch would be kept like putting in a fridge having loads of heat gauges so it would not get to humid or wet nad kept at optimum temp, hell you could put the heat lights down there under the NFL pitch attached to that frame. I'm sure a process could be developed whereby the pitch is in and out in 12hrs. Thing with carpet though is that the stadium would need a roof. So maybe they used the new system of fake grass which is made of rubber tires and is minute rubber pellets, not sure that can be rolled out though.

I think a little sex wee will come out if and when the club sends out the address to something like this.. I do think the camera's are poor on that link below though.

http://levisstadium.com/

Personally it would be interesting to see an NFL team, but there are other logistics regarding the capacity. Because of both teams bench's and that they all stand up you can probably forget the first 10 or so rows on the East and West sides. If the lower tier was shallow it could be more rows and really eat into the capacity.
 
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Superhudd said:
Because of both teams bench's and that they all stand up you can probably forget the first 10 or so rows on the East and West sides. If the lower tier was shallow it could be more rows and really eat into the capacity.
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Shouldn't be a problem.

It would be simple enough to install a system with seats all the way down to ground level and close to the pitch when Spurs are playing but with the first however many rows (5-10?) retractable for NFL use. It would serve the dual purpose of making the extra space needed for NFL teams along the sidelines while also ensuring that those in the front row of seats for NFL games would be high enough to have an uninterrupted view of the pitch.

David Keirle has suggested that capacity in NFL mode would be 65K. That probably means that capacity for Spurs games could be as much as 70K.
 
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jimmyb said:
Shouldn't be a problem.

It would be simple enough to install a system with seats all the way down to ground level and close to the pitch when Spurs are playing but with the first however many rows (5-10?) retractable for NFL use. It would serve the dual purpose of making the extra space needed for NFL teams along the sidelines while also ensuring that those in the front row of seats for NFL games would be high enough to have an uninterrupted view of the pitch.

David Keirle has suggested that capacity in NFL mode would be 65K. That probably means that capacity for Spurs games could be as much as 70K.
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Yeah I didn't think it would hinder the build, just the capacity would need to be a lot bigger for Tottenham to install a system that works for NFL as you suggest with the 70k capacity for Tottenham.

I don't know why I am thinking thunderbirds right now.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Yeah the logistics of the sliding pitch is tricky.

Another potential problem; NFL games are on Sundays as we play virtually all of our games on Sundays these days :lol:
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When you went this Sunday past, when did it register that Tottenham don't play every Sunday at home. \o/

It would be no more logistical nightmare than what Coventry City have right now.
 
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Superhudd said:
The NFL pitch doesn't need to be turf, I'd imagine they would look at a system where the football pitch was sunk and a frame system placed ontop whilst the NFL pitch was a carpet like the indoor arenas have in the US, this then rolled out. I could imagine steel rods or large frame going under the west stand or east stand and even possibly under the highroad or school where they could be brought across when the pitch has sunk, this is all motorised. The pitch would be kept like putting in a fridge having loads of heat gauges so it would not get to humid or wet nad kept at optimum temp, hell you could put the heat lights down there under the NFL pitch attached to that frame. I'm sure a process could be developed whereby the pitch is in and out in 12hrs. Thing with carpet though is that the stadium would need a roof. So maybe they used the new system of fake grass which is made of rubber tires and is minute rubber pellets, not sure that can be rolled out though.

I think a little sex wee will come out if and when the club sends out the address to something like this.. I do think the camera's are poor on that link below though.

http://levisstadium.com/

Personally it would be interesting to see an NFL team, but there are other logistics regarding the capacity. Because of both teams bench's and that they all stand up you can probably forget the first 10 or so rows on the East and West sides. If the lower tier was shallow it could be more rows and really eat into the capacity.
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You don't need a roof with turf. Many NFL stadia have turf and no roof.

The need for spectators to see over the players on the sideline makes me think that the NFL pitch would be below the grass pitch and that is why the brief was to look at a sliding pitch. That way the first row of spectators would be well above the sidelines for NFL and at pitch level when the grass field is in position. However, I can't see where the sliding pitch would go as the school is in the way on the Worcester Ave side and all the other sides are accounted for.
 
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I wonder how the suggested level of compromise will square with the speech about the priority being "delivering the best possible match experience for Spurs fans," or whatever it was.
 
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Stadium share... pah - would rather we had re-developed Stratford than this...[-(
 
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People worried about the state of the pitch.... We're only talking about 8 games here anyway aren't we?

Contrary to others I don't think that NFL puts that much strain on a pitch anyway. It seems that people are likening it to Rugby - but surely it's the scrums, rucks and mauls that cut the pitch up in Rugby and I'm not sure that American Football has anything too similar.... perhaps the line of srummage/scrimmage (whatever it's called)? But that doesn't have the same forces pushing against each other as in a rugby scrum.

Also don't some of the NFL teams currently play on grass pitches? If so then typically how do those pitches look after a game has finished? Alternatively did anyone on here go to/watch the recent game at Wembley? How did the pitch look afterwards? I bet not too bad!

In terms of the extra room required at the side of the pitch for American football and the fact that the players not on the field are standing and sightlines etc. That would be easily covered by having the first 8 to 10 rows of either the East or West Stand being retractable underneath the stand when in NFL mode. The viewing lines from the 1st row are then perfect for NFL as well as having the additional room at the side of pitch to accomodate all of the players/coaches etc. A similar thing could also be done in on the opposite side if they are worried about the distance between the edge of the pitch and the stands with the American football players often having to be running at full pace as they exit the side of the sidelines or getting heavily at the side of the field..... Ah as I type this I check back and see that jimmy has said exactly the same thing.... great minds mate! ;)
 
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I was under the impression that no NFL team uses grass any more, I thought they all converted to FieldTurf.

Wasn't there a big furore one year when the rain fell out the sky for the NFL game at Wembley, think it was the Dolphins game and they completely ruined the Wembley pitch. Tottenham shouldn't and IMO wouldn't gamble on that happening
 
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Wasn't there a mod on this forum who used to say that an NFL team and Tottenham was something that would happen if all the cards fell the right way, think it was unknown around the time the stadium project was first announced. Serveral years down the line and now this. I'll have to ask on the NFL fantasy league forum we are in that she is Commish of.
 
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Superhudd said:
I was under the impression that no NFL team uses grass any more, I thought they all converted to FieldTurf.

Wasn't there a big furore one year when the rain fell out the sky for the NFL game at Wembley, think it was the Dolphins game and they completely ruined the Wembley pitch. Tottenham shouldn't and IMO wouldn't gamble on that happening
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I had the same discussion with a friend who works for NFL Europe regarding grass pitches in the NFL vs artificial. He suggested the majority if teams play on grass.

Regarding wear on the pitch, NFL is one if the toughest around as they constantly reset to the middle. Most sports play across the whole pitch
 
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