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Andros Townsend
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Ian Walker
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Thanks AS..that was my point.
I agree that it seems crazy that some get upset that somebody was upset by the joke, however Roy intended it (I must say he seems to have weird HT chats, if I remeber comments from Liverpool fans a few years ago..)
It would be interesting to se how many on here would react if this was coming from, say Luis Aragones, instead of the England Football Manager just after he has gotten England to the World Cup. Would also be interesting to see the reaction is Roy had finised 3rd and out of it altogether...:-k
I'm actually hoping for clarity's sake that whoever was the Sun's source has the bravery to come out and give their side to the story. It's not unheard of for a PR campiagn to bury the truth either way...who knows if this is one of them and in fact Andros WAS offended at the time and also some players WERE raising eyebrows at Roy's delivery...
Thanks AS..that was my point.
I agree that it seems crazy that some get upset that somebody was upset by the joke, however Roy intended it (I must say he seems to have weird HT chats, if I remeber comments from Liverpool fans a few years ago..)
It would be interesting to se how many on here would react if this was coming from, say Luis Aragones, instead of the England Football Manager just after he has gotten England to the World Cup. Would also be interesting to see the reaction is Roy had finised 3rd and out of it altogether...:-k
I'm actually hoping for clarity's sake that whoever was the Sun's source has the bravery to come out and give their side to the story. It's not unheard of for a PR campiagn to bury the truth either way...who knows if this is one of them and in fact Andros WAS offended at the time and also some players WERE raising eyebrows at Roy's delivery...
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Ian Walker
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Ian Walker
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As stated by AS and myself, my point bwas that it could be argued that a player has taken offence at the delivery and that perhaps also felt that the way Rio was sidelined in favour of Rio ('Footballing reason'? more like political..) was also a bit fishy in light of the racial slurs alledgly made by Terty to Rio brother.
I think you simplify my point too much to start talking about racial reasns for dropping/choosing oher players eg Townsend over Milner etc. It's not like there are any other players that have embroiled in a racial slur dispute are there??
Agree that Roy had a very difficult situation to handle regardless (thanks Terry, you bleep...)
As stated by AS and myself, my point bwas that it could be argued that a player has taken offence at the delivery and that perhaps also felt that the way Rio was sidelined in favour of Rio ('Footballing reason'? more like political..) was also a bit fishy in light of the racial slurs alledgly made by Terty to Rio brother.
I think you simplify my point too much to start talking about racial reasns for dropping/choosing oher players eg Townsend over Milner etc. It's not like there are any other players that have embroiled in a racial slur dispute are there??
Agree that Roy had a very difficult situation to handle regardless (thanks Terry, you bleep...)
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Erik Edman
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The question is....who is the player that leaked it? What does he have to gain?
The question is....who is the player that leaked it? What does he have to gain?
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Gudni Bergsson
Re: Official - Townsend
It's a faux pas, that's all. If Roy said the joke, with Townsend as the focus, then there would probably have been a real tumbleweed moment. But that would because he wasn't intending it with racist undertones.
Not a newsworthy story, and the only racists in this are the Sun.
It's a faux pas, that's all. If Roy said the joke, with Townsend as the focus, then there would probably have been a real tumbleweed moment. But that would because he wasn't intending it with racist undertones.
Not a newsworthy story, and the only racists in this are the Sun.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
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This is the KEY question; plus I think it should be asked what does the player indeed have to gain?
Personally, these things usually only come out if the player REALLY felt strongly about it; I bet once said player is identified (assuming there IS a said player...) then you can bet his England and perhaps even football career would be severely impacted (if not fiished)
This is the KEY question; plus I think it should be asked what does the player indeed have to gain?
Personally, these things usually only come out if the player REALLY felt strongly about it; I bet once said player is identified (assuming there IS a said player...) then you can bet his England and perhaps even football career would be severely impacted (if not fiished)
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
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I don't really know what you're saying about Terry and Rio, as if keeping Terry in proves RH is racist? I don't really get it. I didn't agree with kicking Rio out for Terry, but I don't think it really proves anything either way. Maybe it was because Terry and Ashley Cole were loyal to each other, while the rest of the squad was indifferent. Therefore you don't want to alienate your best left back as well, and therefore he decided to placate 2 quality players instead of one.
I think the fact that Townsend came out straight away and said it was a total non story is all the proof we need that it's a totally non story.
I don't really know what you're saying about Terry and Rio, as if keeping Terry in proves RH is racist? I don't really get it. I didn't agree with kicking Rio out for Terry, but I don't think it really proves anything either way. Maybe it was because Terry and Ashley Cole were loyal to each other, while the rest of the squad was indifferent. Therefore you don't want to alienate your best left back as well, and therefore he decided to placate 2 quality players instead of one.
I think the fact that Townsend came out straight away and said it was a total non story is all the proof we need that it's a totally non story.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
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I really cannot stand this tooting that Roy was being overcomplicated. As if they know what he should have done. As if after half time we capitulated! If the players returned after half time confused and didn't know what they were doing then maybe these people have a point. But we played well. It's just a desperate attempt to piggy back onto the story. I can't believe there's a video there of Sam Allardyce saying 'Roy's not racist'. Of course he isn't! Why does it even need to be stated!?
The story goes that Roy actually told a shortened version of the joke. Which is why the player who did report this was probably too thick to get the context. I wouldn't be surprised if Roy said 'You know that joke about NASA sending the monkey into space? Chris, feed the monkey! Wayne, feed the monkey! Andros is going to be our match winner. Pathetic to say that it is in any way racist and even that Roy used a sensitive term. Utterly pathetic. We can't talk about monkeys now because someone may get offended? Ugh.
I really cannot stand this tooting that Roy was being overcomplicated. As if they know what he should have done. As if after half time we capitulated! If the players returned after half time confused and didn't know what they were doing then maybe these people have a point. But we played well. It's just a desperate attempt to piggy back onto the story. I can't believe there's a video there of Sam Allardyce saying 'Roy's not racist'. Of course he isn't! Why does it even need to be stated!?
The story goes that Roy actually told a shortened version of the joke. Which is why the player who did report this was probably too thick to get the context. I wouldn't be surprised if Roy said 'You know that joke about NASA sending the monkey into space? Chris, feed the monkey! Wayne, feed the monkey! Andros is going to be our match winner. Pathetic to say that it is in any way racist and even that Roy used a sensitive term. Utterly pathetic. We can't talk about monkeys now because someone may get offended? Ugh.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
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I can't see a whole lot wrong with that to be honest. The thrust of his opinion being that different managers handle the half time in different ways. I'm sure the editor just sensationalised the headline. Harmless piece from a gormless man. Nothing to see here.
I can't see a whole lot wrong with that to be honest. The thrust of his opinion being that different managers handle the half time in different ways. I'm sure the editor just sensationalised the headline. Harmless piece from a gormless man. Nothing to see here.
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indianspur
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imo Woy is not a racist. He told an anecdote to help him get his message across, like he has probably done a million times, but this time he chose the wrong one because it can be construed in the wrong way which is exactly whats happened.
Someone in that dressing room took offence and has leaked it to the press
a man of Woy's experience and knowledge should have known better.
imo Woy is not a racist. He told an anecdote to help him get his message across, like he has probably done a million times, but this time he chose the wrong one because it can be construed in the wrong way which is exactly whats happened.
Someone in that dressing room took offence and has leaked it to the press
a man of Woy's experience and knowledge should have known better.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
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This sums it up for me; Plus whilst someone might disagree with said player taking offence I think it's ridiculous to be so angry at said player for taking offence.
Most important thing here is that Woy's choice of anecdote was probably just wrong and i myself don't think he is a racist per se
This sums it up for me; Plus whilst someone might disagree with said player taking offence I think it's ridiculous to be so angry at said player for taking offence.
Most important thing here is that Woy's choice of anecdote was probably just wrong and i myself don't think he is a racist per se
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If he's not a racist, he's a bit clueless, honestly in this day and age, who would use a monkey in their anecdotes?
To be honest, I'm not surprised with his age/background, just out of touch with modern world.
If he's not a racist, he's a bit clueless, honestly in this day and age, who would use a monkey in their anecdotes?
To be honest, I'm not surprised with his age/background, just out of touch with modern world.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
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what?
is david attenborough a racist, most of his anecdotes involve monkeys
what?
is david attenborough a racist, most of his anecdotes involve monkeys
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
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In this day and age, why can't you use a monkey in an anecdote or a metaphor?
What a bizarre comment.
I see Wenger has said 'you need to be careful what you say'. WHAT THE HELL IS THE WORLD COMING TO!?!?!??!!?
In this day and age, why can't you use a monkey in an anecdote or a metaphor?
What a bizarre comment.
I see Wenger has said 'you need to be careful what you say'. WHAT THE HELL IS THE WORLD COMING TO!?!?!??!!?
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Justin Edinburgh
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whoa
then thats bad
if someone told whoop whoop to go fetch a potato or something motivational like that i wouldnt hold it against him or another irish person if they took offense
whoa
then thats bad
if someone told whoop whoop to go fetch a potato or something motivational like that i wouldnt hold it against him or another irish person if they took offense
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Justin Edinburgh
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from a white guy to a black guy?
always dangerous ground. blame the people that have used that for centuries as an insult to afro carribean race
from a white guy to a black guy?
always dangerous ground. blame the people that have used that for centuries as an insult to afro carribean race
Baleforce
Ron Henry
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exactly right, but if someone offered him fries with a hamburger and he took that as a racial insult would that be reasonable?
exactly right, but if someone offered him fries with a hamburger and he took that as a racial insult would that be reasonable?