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Re: Jermain Defoe

Pirate55 said:
We all know Ade is a better player than Defoe. He has many more attributes. The trouble is he just doesnt apply himself.

To continue the car analogy, I think on balance I would prefer a Ka that runs all day and occasionally outperforms expectations (Defoe) rather than a flashy Italian sports car which spends all the time in the garage (Ade). Maybe a better compromise might be a Saab that also runs and while not great is better than nothing (Dempsey).

Ultimately I would like Levy to buy us an Aston...........
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Exactly mate

I get why people don't rate Defoe too highly, but to argue that Adebayor is soooo much better is ridiculous. Their goal records are practically the same. Adebayor may have more ability, but how often does he really, truly show it? Enough so that about 5 clubs have got rid of him. And Defoe has played for Spurs after losing family members, Adebayor on;y cares about himself. Put aside what happened after the ACN, look what happened just before he went. He had a dig at AVB. He kept changing his mind from one day to the next about whether he would go or not.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

Spursalot said:
Ah yes, those 'World beaters' Bulgaria. So he has three goals against decent teams? Immense.
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I never said it was immense, i said it was very decent. As for Bulgaria, they are about as good as you are going to get when you are a top seed in a qualifying group.

Spursalot said:
No, His International record is not particularly good. In fact i'd ignore International records entirely if i was trying to show how good a striker is,
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We are not trying to show how good a player he is, if we were doing that then we'd be discussing his overall ability in addition to his goal record for club and country. THFC6061 posted Defoe's international goal record and stated it was impressive, and you disagreed even though stats prove otherwise. We are discussing his international goal record and nothing more. Pretty much every top forward out there has a similar international goal record to Defoe, many of which have failed to perform in major tournaments goal wise and scored against similar quality 'minnows' in qualification and friendlies.

Whilst his goal record is not 'immense', it is very decent. If you disagree then fine, we'll agree to disagree.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

jurgen lineker said:
I never said it was immense, i said it was very decent. As for Bulgaria, they are about as good as you are going to get when you are a top seed in a qualifying group.



We are not trying to show how good a player he is, if we were doing that then we'd be discussing his overall ability in addition to his goal record for club and country. THFC6061 posted Defoe's international goal record and stated it was impressive, and you disagreed even though stats prove otherwise. We are discussing his international goal record and nothing more. Pretty much every top forward out there has a similar international goal record to Defoe, many of which have failed to perform in major tournaments goal wise and scored against similar quality 'minnows' in qualification and friendlies.

Whilst his goal record is not 'immense', it is very decent. If you disagree then fine, we'll agree to disagree.
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Because they didn't. They fail to take into account the dire nature of the majority of international teams.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

Spursalot said:
Because they didn't. They fail to take into account the dire nature of the majority of international teams.
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Well England are supposed to be the 4th best team in the World, so by definition any team except for Spain, Germany and Argentina are going to be worse than England.

And you're not going to meet any of those three teams ranked above England in a competitive match unless it's the Semi-Final or Final of a major tournament.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

jurgen lineker said:
And the other half of his goals were against decent opposition such as Italy, Holland and a hat trick in a World Cup qualifier v Bulgaria.

Playing in big games is all well and good if you are performing in them. Barring when he broke onto the scene in 2004, Rooney has only scored 1 goal in a major tournament. The winner v Ukraine in the Euros last year. Defoe has 1 major tournament goal in most likely 2 or 3 games. All Rooney's other goals came in the same qualifiers and friendlies that Defoe has played in.

No matter which way you look at it Defoe's international goal record is very decent.
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The Italy and Holland games were both friendlies though and both times he came on as a 2nd half substitute, which is probably what he's best at as he can just play his natural shoot-on-sight game.

Bulgaria (43rd in FIFA rankings at the time) were beaten 4-0 at home and 3-0 away during the Euro 2012 qualifiers so his hat-trick kinda fits in with his flat track bully reputation. As does his 4 goals against Andorra (ranked 132nd) over 2 legs we won 11-0 on aggregate, his brace in a friendly against Trinidad (ranked 88th), his goal in a friendly against Slovenia (ranked 54th), his goal against Kazakhstan (ranked 131st) and last night' brace in San Marino (ranked 207th).

The only major international goals that Defoe has scored were against Poland in a WCQ in 2006 and against Slovenia at the WC Finals in South Africa 2010.
 
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Re: Jermain Defoe

People dismiss Defoes international record stating most of his goals were against poor opposition, just as they always did with Crouch which I always thought was harsh. You can disect many a players record if you delve into it. How many goals has Rooney scored against great opposition.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

shaney said:
People dismiss Defoes international record stating most of his goals were against poor opposition, just as they always did with Crouch which I always thought was harsh. You can disect many a players record if you delve into it. How many goals has Rooney scored against great opposition.
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How many great opposition are there at International level?

Very few. I'd rather take his performances in a more consistent competition.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

shaney said:
People dismiss Defoes international record stating most of his goals were against poor opposition, just as they always did with Crouch which I always thought was harsh. You can disect many a players record if you delve into it. How many goals has Rooney scored against great opposition.
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Not many, most of his goals have been against the minnows, i guess you could say the ones he scored against Argentina and Brazil are the exceptions.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

parklane1 said:
Not many, most of his goals have been against the minnows, i guess you could say the ones he scored against Argentina and Brazil are the exceptions.
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I think its fair to say Rooney has been disappointing internationally. His scoring record is good but his performances have been ultimately underwhelming.

Anyway maybe a goal for Defoe will make him less anxious come his next Spurs match.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

THFC6061 said:
Well England are supposed to be the 4th best team in the World, so by definition any team except for Spain, Germany and Argentina are going to be worse than England.

And you're not going to meet any of those three teams ranked above England in a competitive match unless it's the Semi-Final or Final of a major tournament.
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Well obviously no-one in the world actually believes England are the 4th best team in the world.

I've never been too bothered with international records tbh, it has no effect on the league we actually play in. Someone was posting last year that in terms of minutes/goal, Defoe has a better record than Rooney at international level and yet no-one would choose Defoe over Rooney in the PL (or really the England team either but that's not the point. )
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

Bishop said:
I think its fair to say Rooney has been disappointing internationally. His scoring record is good but his performances have been ultimately underwhelming.

Anyway maybe a goal for Defoe will make him less anxious come his next Spurs match.
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Agree with all that, lets hope it sends Defoe off on another run of scoring.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

Gutter Boy said:
Won't happen till September '14 (if he's still playing then). Defoe's hot streaks seem to be biennial and in the autumn for some reason.
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All our current so-called strikers, Adebayor, Defoe and Dempsey are really frustrating to follow. You will never know what to expect from them. Defoe and Dempsey was on a good goal-scoring run earlier in this season while Adebayor did that last season. But all 3 are not capable of scoring consistently over the whole season.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

Spurs7891 said:
All our current so-called strikers, Adebayor, Defoe and Dempsey are really frustrating to follow. You will never know what to expect from them. Defoe and Dempsey was on a good goal-scoring run earlier in this season while Adebayor did that last season. But all 3 are not capable of scoring consistently over the whole season.
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Ade and Dempsey have had fitness problems but Defoe does not have that excuse.

But the England goals can't have hurt his confidence and as long as all 3 guys keep getting into goal scoring positions the goals will come.
 
Re: Jermain Defoe

RVP has 9 goals in his last 14 Prem games. Pretty much equally Defoe's record for this season.
 
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