American politics

[SteveAWOL]

Just end the stupid war.

Wonder how long until Trump throws that loser Hegseth under the bus

Retired Navy Admiral Nancy Lacore, Ousted by Hegseth, Projected to Flip South Carolina House Seat as Recount Looms

Nancy Lacore spent 35 years in the Navy before Pete Hegseth removed her. Now a razor-thin margin could send her to Congress.

www.military.com

 

[Ace Face]

Hopefully there will be a republican backlash against maga and they will put a new person front and centre.

The core Republicans will drop Trump as soon as they realize he isn’t helping them any more. It’s all transactional for them.

 

[Ace Face]

Today is a better day than yesterday....lets allow that to wash over us.

(Yes, then indeed, someone, just anyone, get to work)

Fore sure. It’s the end of Trump’s complete control over everything. This morning does feel like a huge weight has been lifted off our collective chests and that is momentous.

However, the Dems need to seize on this momentum and keep pushing to make the necessary changes… overturn Citizens United, end the tariff wars, raise taxes on the wealthy and fix the budget, negotiate an end to the Iran and Ukraine wars, get a grip on the runaway AI development…and all that is just a start.

But do I believe their leadership has the chutzpah to really push for all of these things…? Or are they going to say all of the right things but then achieve very little, similar to Labour under Blair and Starmer or the EU in general? The amount of drift that has occurred under these liberal elites is as much to blame for the cost of living riots we are witnessing as the right-wing drivel.

I really hope the more progressive wing of the Dems can make some organizational changes and wrestle control of the party away from the geriatrics who have maintained power for the past couple of decades (Schumer, Pelosi, the Clintons etc), and are beholden to the elites. But do I have faith in that happening…?

 

[robp135]

A rare correct statement from Jeffries.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Markets have reacted badly


(Even the NASDAQ is up!)

...and oil down nearly 10% a barrel.....well-done Donald

 

[Rorschach]

Trump had an ability to herd all the disparate evil factions together but I doubt if Vance or anyone else can do that. This election is a stinging repudiation of the direction MAGA has taken America, and Vance has taken that same route with his own presidential campaign which is looking a very bad idea now. However, he is a man of no principles, so he'll switch on a dime and say he was never for all the bad brick that was going on. He won't pull it off, though, as he has the charisma of a soggy biscuit.

Haha....Vance is already trying to distance himself from Trump. It didn't take long, but Trump's stink won't wash off that easily.

 

[Ace Face]

Vance’s strength is his connection with the Tech barons, particularly the really nasty ones such as Thiel. With DOGE being a giant smokescreen for getting Palantir and xAI embedded into the structure of the US Govt. I would not bet against him being their next Presidential candidate with their vast resources.

However, any half-decent opposition candidate should be able to beat him

 

[Rorschach]

Vance’s strength is his connection with the Tech barons, particularly the really nasty ones such as Thiel. With DOGE being a giant smokescreen for getting Palantir and xAI embedded into the structure of the US Govt. I would not bet against him being their next Presidential candidate with their vast resources.

However, any half-decent opposition candidate should be able to beat him

Indeed. Vance is a creation of Thiel, more or less. Thiel would in effect be running the country, and that might even be worse than Trump amazingly enough. He is a proper lunatic with insane notions about all sorts of things, one of which is that democracy shouldn't exist. If Vance got in, that would be very bad. Thankfully nobody likes the couch fudger that much, even in his own party.

 

[thfcsteff]

First of all, a huge relief to know that even the misguided have a limit as to how much bull-brick they'll gorge on.

I think the biggest challenge for the dems is to quietly, calmly, strongly but not over-aggressively make it clear that they are going to be a party which works for everyone whilst reminding the public that the House and Senate still have to work under Trump, who can disrupt/veto and generally make the last two years of his term obstructive and not productive. They'll have to keep reminding people that the gains which can be made will not happen overnight under Trump, however the opportunity is here to utterly undermine the whole Miller-train which is behind the thunderous orange oaf.

I like Hakeem Jeffries. I thought his speech was excellent.

More than anything, I think the Dems now have to push on with the momentum of change in their party too. They have a real chance to push on from the old core era. The country is finally ready to accept POC and Muslims as part of the political landscape. The country is finally ready, even, to accept people of faith who are liberal and progressive. There are so many opportunities to find the next true Democrat Presidential candidate who can make a difference. I at one point thought that Gavin Newsom was going to be the next Democratic Presidential candidate, however after last night I have to say I think his time might have passed. He will (IMO) be seen as 'establishment' if he runs, and for the first time in a long long time, the slate appears clean for the Democrats to go for it.

What the Republicans do next will be fascinating. I find myself hoping they double-down, because concession and apology might actually make them seem viable.

The true hard work for Dems starts now, and IMO, it has to be balanced, powerfully-messaged, and most importantly, about the long-game but without being weak...

 

[thfcsteff]

Indeed. Vance is a creation of Thiel, more or less. Thiel would in effect be running the country, and that might even be worse than Trump amazingly enough. He is a proper lunatic with insane notions about all sorts of things, one of which is that democracy shouldn't exist. If Vance got in, that would be very bad. Thankfully nobody likes the couch fudger that much, even in his own party.

I still think that in the end, Vance is a flip-flopper at heart who goes where his bread is buttered. Ultimately I think that will cost him the trust of the people. The only big issue could be that he is a 'heartland-born' American who will play that card hard.

 

[Rorschach]

First of all, a huge relief to know that even the misguided have a limit as to how much bull-brick they'll gorge on.

I think the biggest challenge for the dems is to quietly, calmly, strongly but not over-aggressively make it clear that they are going to be a party which works for everyone whilst reminding the public that the House and Senate still have to work under Trump, who can disrupt/veto and generally make the last two years of his term obstructive and not productive. They'll have to keep reminding people that the gains which can be made will not happen overnight under Trump, however the opportunity is here to utterly undermine the whole Miller-train which is behind the thunderous orange oaf.

I like Hakeem Jeffries. I thought his speech was excellent.

More than anything, I think the Dems now have to push on with the momentum of change in their party too. They have a real chance to push on from the old core era. The country is finally ready to accept POC and Muslims as part of the political landscape. The country is finally ready, even, to accept people of faith who are liberal and progressive. There are so many opportunities to find the next true Democrat Presidential candidate who can make a difference. I at one point thought that Gavin Newsom was going to be the next Democratic Presidential candidate, however after last night I have to say I think his time might have passed. He will (IMO) be seen as 'establishment' if he runs, and for the first time in a long long time, the slate appears clean for the Democrats to go for it.

What the Republicans do next will be fascinating. I find myself hoping they double-down, because concession and apology might actually make them seem viable.

The true hard work for Dems starts now, and IMO, it has to be balanced, powerfully-messaged, and most importantly, about the long-game but without being weak...

Good post but I'm not sure I agree with you on Jeffries. I thought his speech didn't read the room at all. Schumer's speech was not much better, and both are already getting a roasting amongst all the positive stuff trending now. They are seen as old-school bi-partisan, let bygones be bygones types, which is not what this particular moment needs. Anyway, that's for another day. Today has been an important day for the planet.

 

[thfcsteff]

Good post but I'm not sure I agree with you on Jeffries. I thought his speech didn't read the room at all. Schumer's speech was not much better, and both are already getting a roasting amongst all the positive stuff trending now. They are seen as old-school bi-partisan, let bygones be bygones types, which is not what this particular moment needs. Anyway, that's for another day. Today has been an important day for the planet.

I think what Jeffries said about the win being about everyone was vital. Right now, the biggest concern I have is the balance between overreaching revenge and holding them accountable. It's a fine balance. I watched some Foix coverage and they're already priming theirs up for what they want to frame as a Democrat wave of punitive actions and over-reaches which will hurt the universe. I think the moment needs a balance between the firm, erudite and superbly articulated likes of El Sayed and the unifying 'this is for all Americans' tone of Jeffries.
Yes indeed, it has been an important day for the planet, and it's also shown everyone that Americans are not to be painted with the brush of the President any longer. Thankfully, we can once again say 'never judge a nation by it's leader' with justification once more!

 

[Ace Face]

Indeed. Vance is a creation of Thiel, more or less. Thiel would in effect be running the country, and that might even be worse than Trump amazingly enough. He is a proper lunatic with insane notions about all sorts of things, one of which is that democracy shouldn't exist. If Vance got in, that would be very bad. Thankfully nobody likes the couch fudger that much, even in his own party.

 

[robp135]

Vance’s strength is his connection with the Tech barons, particularly the really nasty ones such as Thiel. With DOGE being a giant smokescreen for getting Palantir and xAI embedded into the structure of the US Govt. I would not bet against him being their next Presidential candidate with their vast resources.

However, any half-decent opposition candidate should be able to beat him

Who do you class as half decent opponent?

Ossoff & Beshear will win comfortably. The red state Dem always plays well nationally (Clinton) and Ossoff would be a likely win for Georgia which would be a huge win for them.

AOC & Newsom would perform poorly nationally imo.

 

[thfcsteff]

Who do you class as half decent opponent?

Ossoff & Beshear will win comfortably. The ref state Dem always plays well nationally (Clinton) and Ossoff would be a likely win for Georgia which would be a huge win for them.

AOC & Newsom would perform poorly nationally imo.

I think it's a great question.
Personally, I believe we'll see the question answer itself in the next 8-10 months.
I agree that AOC and Newsom are not the way forward.
What is encouraging is that the dems have a real chance to allow the new blood to establish itself, and the public seems willing to accept the right candidate as long as they are working for the common good/people.

 

[robp135]

I think it's a great question.
Personally, I believe we'll see the question answer itself in the next 8-10 months.
I agree that AOC and Newsom are not the way forward.
What is encouraging is that the dems have a real chance to allow the new blood to establish itself, and the public seems willing to accept the right candidate as long as they are working for the common good/people.

The most popular Democrat right now is Mamdani who can’t even run. Although I think that plays in to his popularity to an extent.

 

[Mikey10]

Seems to be a lot of fake news in the legacy media today.

 

[robp135]

Don’t like him but I think he’s nailed it tbh. Signs he’s going rogue though.

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[Lost Mango]

I think it's a great question.
Personally, I believe we'll see the question answer itself in the next 8-10 months.
I agree that AOC and Newsom are not the way forward.
What is encouraging is that the dems have a real chance to allow the new blood to establish itself, and the public seems willing to accept the right candidate as long as they are working for the common good/people.

Agree about Newsom but think that AOC is a different story (not for 2028 though) - her tour with Bernie after the '24 debacle was very positively received beyond the safe confines of NY.

I would like to see Schumer and Jeffries shifted for the reason given above about the bipartisan compromise rubbish. They either need to come out and say we are driving this forward whatever or they need to step aside.

 

[Lost Mango]

Don’t like him but I think he’s nailed it tbh. Signs he’s going rogue though.

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Significant shift in Latino and Hispanic voters in some states were to do with the ICE stormtroopers.