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Daniel Levy - Former Chairman

MartyFunkhouser said:
Its clearly a great stadium
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Of course, that goes without saying. I was referencing the build project in my post though - widely seen as an incredible achievement delivering what they did in that timescale.


I've worked with Mace on a couple of projects and having them as a management team only probably saved the project a great deal in terms of cost & time if what I've seen of them is any kind of marker. I seem to remember at the time the talk was that no construction company wanted to take it on as a complete package due to the logistics and timescale vs the penalties, which is why we went with the approach we did.
 
billyiddo said:
Even with the 'delays', turning that size of a build around in the time it took was a great achievement for all involved.

It is a highly well thought of project within the construction industry.
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Burning that one house down was the best part as well 🤣
 
metalgear said:
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Levy cheaped out going direct with multiple contractors and making a mess of coordination, they installed air conditioning before the main wiring and had to rip it out.
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Why do you have this obsession with Levy being cheap, even though the facts don't back that up?
 
metalgear said:
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Levy cheaped out going direct with multiple contractors and making a mess of coordination, they installed air conditioning before the main wiring and had to rip it out.
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Is that it?

Is that all you've got?

A complex project, on a tight footprint, on an existing stadium site, on a tight timeframe, in a built up London postcode.
 
Just watching Paul Barber on the Football Boardroom...Brighton have a common sense approach to hiring coaches that Daniel would have been wise to adopt... they will usually hire a coach for the squad and playing style they have, and look to keep the rest of the coaching and support staff over time, not to have to hire and then sack 7 or 8 members of the coaching team every time the coach moves on...I wonder if one of Daniel's biggest mistakes was not keeping Barber??....but you read that Daniel just can't delegate....and no decent manager (let alone MD or CEO) will accept being micro-managed.
 
robp135 said:
A project of that size will have hundreds of fudge ups. It’s unavoidable.
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arsenal stadium seemed to go alright - and their medical team seems to be chugging along just fine after the new stadium
parklane1 said:
Haters have to hate.🙁
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yes i hate CEOs that pay themselves top money while key workers wages are below what's expected of them
imagine if the company you work for prefers to pay hiring agents more and more while depressing your pay and it gets less competitive over the years
 
lurker of old said:
Just watching Paul Barber on the Football Boardroom...Brighton have a common sense approach to hiring coaches that Daniel would have been wise to adopt... they will usually hire a coach for the squad and playing style they have, and look to keep the rest of the coaching and support staff over time, not to have to hire and then sack 7 or 8 members of the coaching team every time the coach moves on...I wonder if one of Daniel's biggest mistakes was not keeping Barber??....but you read that Daniel just can't delegate....and no decent manager (let alone MD or CEO) will accept being micro-managed.
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It's an extremely fair observation, the issue (or my concern is), no elite club does this.

Madrid, Barca, Bayern, United, Liverpool, any top club you can think of, doesn't really say "we play this way, we control the type of player we buy, we control the supportting/coaching staff, coach has to make do", what they do is say "we buy an elite level coach, and try to have aligned support model but coach has a lot of power (which is often shown up as club conflicts quite famously with some managers).

Keeping aside the question of who we should have kept, it just is really poor journalism that nobody asks, why doesn't any of the elite clubs use this model? if Brentford/Brighton/whoever found some secret sauce, why wouldn't the biggest clubs just copy it? (surely, we are not saying all elite clubs are stupid). Truth is, closest I've seen to a copy is Chelsea who has bought Brighton players and staff, and they got worse.

People don't do well with nuance, the needs of a club trying to stay in PL is not the same as a club trying to be PL regulars, not the same as top hal/European qualifiers, not the same as top 4, not the same as genuinely challenging, and each of those has different rules/mechanisms/money requirements to make it work.
 
Raziel said:
It's an extremely fair observation, the issue (or my concern is), no elite club does this.

Madrid, Barca, Bayern, United, Liverpool, any top club you can think of, doesn't really say "we play this way, we control the type of player we buy, we control the supportting/coaching staff, coach has to make do", what they do is say "we buy an elite level coach, and try to have aligned support model but coach has a lot of power (which is often shown up as club conflicts quite famously with some managers).

Keeping aside the question of who we should have kept, it just is really poor journalism that nobody asks, why doesn't any of the elite clubs use this model? if Brentford/Brighton/whoever found some secret sauce, why wouldn't the biggest clubs just copy it? (surely, we are not saying all elite clubs are stupid). Truth is, closest I've seen to a copy is Chelsea who has bought Brighton players and staff, and they got worse.

People don't do well with nuance, the needs of a club trying to stay in PL is not the same as a club trying to be PL regulars, not the same as top hal/European qualifiers, not the same as top 4, not the same as genuinely challenging, and each of those has different rules/mechanisms/money requirements to make it work.
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Ehhh...Barcelona literally do have that, as do Bayern, even arguably Madrid although they are a little more flexible. The sporting directors procures the players and the coach plays them. Yes when there is proper synergy the coach has a lot of input into who those incomings and outgoings are but it's not unusual at all for that not to be the case and often the falling outs at those clubs is because of a difference of opinion between the coach and the DoF.
 
lurker of old said:
Just watching Paul Barber on the Football Boardroom...Brighton have a common sense approach to hiring coaches that Daniel would have been wise to adopt... they will usually hire a coach for the squad and playing style they have, and look to keep the rest of the coaching and support staff over time, not to have to hire and then sack 7 or 8 members of the coaching team every time the coach moves on...I wonder if one of Daniel's biggest mistakes was not keeping Barber??....but you read that Daniel just can't delegate....and no decent manager (let alone MD or CEO) will accept being micro-managed.
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I always thought Barber was sent to Canada as a finishing school to then come back as Levy's successor

Imagine if we had Denzil know instead of Vinai
 
Raziel said:
It's an extremely fair observation, the issue (or my concern is), no elite club does this.

Madrid, Barca, Bayern, United, Liverpool, any top club you can think of, doesn't really say "we play this way, we control the type of player we buy, we control the supportting/coaching staff, coach has to make do", what they do is say "we buy an elite level coach, and try to have aligned support model but coach has a lot of power (which is often shown up as club conflicts quite famously with some managers).

Keeping aside the question of who we should have kept, it just is really poor journalism that nobody asks, why doesn't any of the elite clubs use this model? if Brentford/Brighton/whoever found some secret sauce, why wouldn't the biggest clubs just copy it? (surely, we are not saying all elite clubs are stupid). Truth is, closest I've seen to a copy is Chelsea who has bought Brighton players and staff, and they got worse.

People don't do well with nuance, the needs of a club trying to stay in PL is not the same as a club trying to be PL regulars, not the same as top hal/European qualifiers, not the same as top 4, not the same as genuinely challenging, and each of those has different rules/mechanisms/money requirements to make it work.
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There are elite clubs that do that, and those elite clubs that don't do that just spend spend spend until they succeed. We take neither approach, and are not an elite club....
 
Bishop said:
Ehhh...Barcelona literally do have that, as do Bayern, even arguably Madrid although they are a little more flexible. The sporting directors procures the players and the coach plays them. Yes when there is proper synergy the coach has a lot of input into who those incomings and outgoings are but it's not unusual at all for that not to be the case and often the falling outs at those clubs is because of a difference of opinion between the coach and the DoF.
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Not saying DoF/people in top clubs don't procure players

I'm saying elite clubs don't say we play this formation, with these profile of players (and we sell at this stage) and the coach just accepts, yes there have been galactico attempts, and players bought for profile/economics more than fit, but no elite club treats the manager like Brentford/Brighton (just a replaceable cog with purposely limited influence)
 
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