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Archie Gray

ricky2tricky4city said:
Might be a favoured option as he has the added quality of a utility player.

I'm with Bedford though....I'd rather none of our players head to the WC.
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It's a very difficult situation for players, clubs and fans. I want to see our players in the premier international level but I worry about the chances of injury and how failure to get in starting XI or bad results will effect them.
I expect the club has similar concerns and have the added problem of players returning late for preseason work. We desperately need to start next season with a fully fit squad, I can't remember the last time we had that.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Might be a favoured option as he has the added quality of a utility player.

I'm with Bedford though....I'd rather none of our players head to the WC.
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I can see that logic. Gray has had a really heavy start to his fledgling career. Almost 50 games for Leeds as a 17 year old before being plunged into Spurs injury ravaged seasons. He's had quite a toll on his body and a summer off would do no harm at all.

That WC is toxic anyway. I'm an international fan but, like Qatar, won't be paying attention.
 
Muttley said:
I can see that logic. Gray has had a really heavy start to his fledgling career. Almost 50 games for Leeds as a 17 year old before being plunged into Spurs injury ravaged seasons. He's had quite a toll on his body and a summer off would do no harm at all.

That WC is toxic anyway. I'm an international fan but, like Qatar, won't be paying attention.
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This World Cup is gonna bomb
The multi country and political landscape is an issue
Add in that England think we will win…. And if we don’t, as I expect
Players get scarred
 
Bedfordspurs said:
This World Cup is gonna bomb
The multi country and political landscape is an issue
Add in that England think we will win…. And if we don’t, as I expect
Players get scarred
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Canada will put on a good show, they do sports well BUT it will be low key as a destination pull, Mexico will be the carnival of football, America though looks like it will be a sh1t show. The cities can't agree on funding and thats key in North America when it comes to events and showcasing, most of the money comes from the City if central government isn't putting in the cash, Trumps already said he will treat cities differently depending on who is in charge there.

Anyway that aside, Gray looks a proper proper player. Growing into a monster and at a time when we are so so poor, that speaks volumes on his character
 
If he keeps developing he'll be an exceptional player. Even if he doesn't fulfil his potential he could be a really good player. Absolutely wonderful talent and these talented young players remain a shining light in a train wreck of a season. And may end up being part of the difference between going down and not.

Said this before, but every challenge put ahead of him he seems to step up to. Keeps finding new levels.

Getting closer to being a "just give him the ball" player imo.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
This World Cup is gonna bomb
The multi country and political landscape is an issue
Add in that England think we will win…. And if we don’t, as I expect
Players get scarred
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Yeah, don't know the talents of the other big teams but would guess we have a set of players that you could build an expectation on. I still wonder about the capability of our defence actually. I also worry about the lack of true leadership in the team that sets foot on the pitch, including the captain.

As you say, the biggest topic is the political landscape. I was in Russia in 2018 after FIFA corruptly awarded them the competition. I was in Marseille 2 years earlier and it was ugly in the city. I was tear gassed just sitting having a beer and pizza. Putin was smart. He made it quite clear that any naughty stuff from fans would have serious consequences. What will be interesting is whether Trump can achieve the same thing. SO much angst towards USA right now. It could get ugly.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
It's a very difficult situation for players, clubs and fans. I want to see our players in the premier international level but I worry about the chances of injury and how failure to get in starting XI or bad results will effect them.
I expect the club has similar concerns and have the added problem of players returning late for preseason work. We desperately need to start next season with a fully fit squad, I can't remember the last time we had that.
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1892, IIRC
 
Lots of plaudits for Gray today. But you have to say. Ange then Frank kept playing him all over when we was crying out for him to get games in midfield. RB, LB, CB, 3rd CB but never in midfield.

Finally het got a chance against Palace to show who he was. And then stepped it up against Liverpool and now Athletico.

So you sit. You scratch your heard and wonder why the managers dont try this. And then suddenly they are forced to and pop. You get to see the player we bought. Its not the first time we have seen this.
 
Sandman said:
Lots of plaudits for Gray today. But you have to say. Ange then Frank kept playing him all over when we was crying out for him to get games in midfield. RB, LB, CB, 3rd CB but never in midfield.

Finally het got a chance against Palace to show who he was. And then stepped it up against Liverpool and now Athletico.

So you sit. You scratch your heard and wonder why the managers dont try this. And then suddenly they are forced to and pop. You get to see the player we bought. Its not the first time we have seen this.
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It's not rocket science that you get the best from players when they are played in their preferred position. Ange and Frank let him down, we should have been using youngsters in defence like all the big clubs do rather than using "experienced" players out of position.
 
I don’t think either Frank or Ange were deliberately trying to play him out of position. The circumstances dictated it and he was the best option at the time. Look at Liverpool - they are playing Szoboszlai right back for a lot of games even though he’s their best midfielder, but because of his ability he’s the best to fill in at right back.

Hopefully Gray’s days as a fill in LB/RB/CB are in the past and he’s learnt from his time there
 
Says a lot when an opposition player of the calibre of Marcos Llorente runs across half the pitch to shake his hand and congratulate him when he was subbed off. Great gesture from another great player!
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