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We couldn't even win there when we were miles better than them under Poch, we realistically had little hope winning yesterday given how they have improved even since last season. Cursed at that place...sigh...

I guess the difference with Poch is that he also whilst wanting to be solid when going there, he also believed having an attacking plan was part of a defence..
 
We couldn't even win there when we were miles better than them under Poch, we realistically had little hope winning yesterday given how they have improved even since last season. Cursed at that place...sigh...

I guess the difference with Poch is that he also whilst wanting to be solid when going there, he also believed having an attacking plan was part of a defence..

Think we said it earlier. Poch had players in attacking areas that had extreme defensive smarts. When you have Eriksen, Dele and Kane in your line-up it makes it so much easier for the guys behind them to get forward. That was even with a defensive dumbass like Sonny along side them. I lost count of the amount of times that Eriksen or Dele would just drop in and become the 6. Even if they couldn't destroy, they would hold play up and allow the others to get set back into position. A younger Kane was so much more interested in that defensive perspective as well. Then we became a team under Jose and Conte where Kane, Moura and Son just didn't pull their weight defensively. I could barely watch the first 30 mins of any match with their disinterest in defending from the front, especially under Conte. I was rope a dope as the forwards just preserved their energy so they could be MOTD superstars in the second halves of matches. That was always going to fall to pieces eventually.

Thing is, when Ange arrived I thought we were back to 10 outfield players busting a gut. We would be back to the Poch years. Under Frank, I genuinely think he's trying to find the balance between having a super fit 20 man match day squad versus having an injury list as long as your arm. I'm theorising that the lower intensity we see on the pitch stems from that.
 
Couldn't watch the game for some unforeseen reasons. Typically I'd always watch the game back, but think I'll skip this particular one.

Listened to the pod, read a couple of comments on here. Seems like the universe did me a favour stopping me from seeing it really. Given some of our previous performances this season it kinda feels like I've already seen the game.
I’ll keep it simple
When we were passive and waiting for them to attack us, they did at will an easily
When we pressed and put a modicum of attacking effort in we created a tiny amount of momentum and they were backpedaling
But we stopped that quickly
 
We couldn't even win there when we were miles better than them under Poch, we realistically had little hope winning yesterday given how they have improved even since last season. Cursed at that place...sigh...

I guess the difference with Poch is that he also whilst wanting to be solid when going there, he also believed having an attacking plan was part of a defence..
The players don’t believe
Haven’t for years
Scares before they get There
 
Think we said it earlier. Poch had players in attacking areas that had extreme defensive smarts. When you have Eriksen, Dele and Kane in your line-up it makes it so much easier for the guys behind them to get forward. That was even with a defensive dumbass like Sonny along side them. I lost count of the amount of times that Eriksen or Dele would just drop in and become the 6. Even if they couldn't destroy, they would hold play up and allow the others to get set back into position. A younger Kane was so much more interested in that defensive perspective as well. Then we became a team under Jose and Conte where Kane, Moura and Son just didn't pull their weight defensively. I could barely watch the first 30 mins of any match with their disinterest in defending from the front, especially under Conte. I was rope a dope as the forwards just preserved their energy so they could be MOTD superstars in the second halves of matches. That was always going to fall to pieces eventually.

Thing is, when Ange arrived I thought we were back to 10 outfield players busting a gut. We would be back to the Poch years. Under Frank, I genuinely think he's trying to find the balance between having a super fit 20 man match day squad versus having an injury list as long as your arm. I'm theorising that the lower intensity we see on the pitch stems from that.
Poch had world class players in a lot of roles (depending on your WC definition)
We are a long way from having that again
 
OR he would have just hung on and waited for Arsenal anyway.

We just don't have the pull for players. The Europa League win has helped, but I think Eze would hold out for Arsenal even if we did trigger the release.

That is highly debatable had we had triggered the clause in the summer, before the Havertz injury.

He literally phoned Arteta to plead for a transfer when it looked like we were his only suitors towards the end of the window - i doubt moving earlier would have made a difference

And you think managers make decisions simply because a player phones them up?

If the arse had wanted to sign him in the summer they would have done so because they ended up paying exactly the release clause anyway.
 
Poch had world class players in a lot of roles (depending on your WC definition)
We are a long way from having that again

He also had them in a period where they could carry 2-3 seasons of high intensity and then he burnt them out. Not blaming him, but he had no squad depth but wanted high press, high intensity football. Poch operated with 15 / 16 players max. Eriksen was world class in the early days. The Eriksen that left the club was anything but. As the club's best player, I think once you end in front of your back four as Sissoko's water carrier then your attitude can change. It wasn't the same as Vic, Dier, Dembele, Dele etc all doing anything for each other for the benefit of the team. Hojbjerg was no different. Just played for himself. Aurier another.

We had some amazing attitudes from our players around 2017. They had WC abilities and they had the right attitudes,
 
That is highly debatable had we had triggered the clause in the summer, before the Havertz injury.



And you think managers make decisions simply because a player phones them up?

If the arse had wanted to sign him in the summer they would have done so because they ended up paying exactly the release clause anyway.

No, but it shows where the players head is at. If he's holding out for a move late in the window then he'd have been doing the same earlier. If you disagree fine
 
This is the bit that stood out for me

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We have had some average sides
We have had some managers clearly being radical away at Arsenal (nuno bypassing midfield)
But that was our worst attacking performance bar one other game in our last 392 games
And Arsenal really didn’t have to work hard for it

Crazy to think that Eze had more xG yesterday than our entire team managed in those 180+ minutes plus the Bournemouth game put together!!

Hopefully don Paratici has another Kulusevski lined up for January who will hit the ground running like this…


Eze had twice as many shots (six) as any other player in the game, and twice as many as all of Spurs’ players managed between them, with his 0.66 xG almost 10 times the amount Tottenham accumulated (0.07 xG).

…He started only one of Arsenal’s first five Premier League matches of the season but has quickly become a key member of the team. In their fifth match, he was called upon from the bench at half-time with his side trailing 1-0 to Emirates Marketing Project, before coming up with the assist for Gabriel Martinelli’s late equaliser.

Despite playing 797 of a possible 1,080 minutes in the Premier League this season, Eze has had more shots (25) than any other Arsenal player. He ranks sixth in the whole Premier League for non-pen goal involvements, both overall (six) and on a per-90 basis (0.68) of players to play at least 500 minutes.

As was the case on Sunday and for that assist against City, many of his best, biggest and most important contributions have come in open play. Enzo Fernández (4.0) and Morgan Gibbs-White (2.3) are the only non-forwards/wingers ahead of Eze for open-play xG this season (1.9), but Eze has played at least 175 minutes less than either of them. And, as mentioned, he has done it while settling into a new team – and one who have had some issues with open-play chance creation.
 
Crazy to think that Eze had more xG yesterday than our entire team managed in those 180+ minutes plus the Bournemouth game put together!!

Hopefully don Paratici has another Kulusevski lined up for January who will hit the ground running like this…


Eze had twice as many shots (six) as any other player in the game, and twice as many as all of Spurs’ players managed between them, with his 0.66 xG almost 10 times the amount Tottenham accumulated (0.07 xG).

…He started only one of Arsenal’s first five Premier League matches of the season but has quickly become a key member of the team. In their fifth match, he was called upon from the bench at half-time with his side trailing 1-0 to Emirates Marketing Project, before coming up with the assist for Gabriel Martinelli’s late equaliser.

Despite playing 797 of a possible 1,080 minutes in the Premier League this season, Eze has had more shots (25) than any other Arsenal player. He ranks sixth in the whole Premier League for non-pen goal involvements, both overall (six) and on a per-90 basis (0.68) of players to play at least 500 minutes.

As was the case on Sunday and for that assist against City, many of his best, biggest and most important contributions have come in open play. Enzo Fernández (4.0) and Morgan Gibbs-White (2.3) are the only non-forwards/wingers ahead of Eze for open-play xG this season (1.9), but Eze has played at least 175 minutes less than either of them. And, as mentioned, he has done it while settling into a new team – and one who have had some issues with open-play chance creation.
I don’t think it’s crazy because they had a plan to attack us
We didn’t
 
I think people need to be realistic with where this team is in our development. We have lost two world class forwards in the last 2 years and we’ve not replaced either of them. Our forward line is dreadful. I don’t like the style of play that Frank is imposing on the team either but that doesn’t change the fact that the forwards are crap. Ange’s methods masked this as his style was so gung ho.
 
I think people need to be realistic with where this team is in our development. We have lost two world class forwards in the last 2 years and we’ve not replaced either of them. Our forward line is dreadful. I don’t like the style of play that Frank is imposing on the team either but that doesn’t change the fact that the forwards are crap. Ange’s methods masked this as his style was so gung ho.

Yeah. We also sadly need to be realistic about where Arsenal are at now, even compared to last season.

Eze might well be the missing jigsaw for them to achieve big and horrible things.
That finishing yesterday was sublime especially with his unfavoured left foot.

Not excusing our lack of attacking recently, but the NLD is an emotional game but shouldn't cloud how we see where they are and where we are. All the more galling given a few years ago we were laughing looking down at them and Arteta
 
Yeah. We also sadly need to be realistic about where Arsenal are at now, even compared to last season.

Eze might well be the missing jigsaw for them to achieve big and horrible things.
That finishing yesterday was sublime especially with his unfavoured left foot.

Not excusing our lack of attacking recently, but the NLD is an emotional game but shouldn't cloud how we see where they are and where we are. All the more galling given a few years ago we were laughing looking down at them and Arteta

Their rise has also coincided with the regression of City and Liverpool, but you have to be there to take advantage when the top teams are having off seasons. If City can remain within 6-9 points by March then I still think scum will get nervy but they’ve got to keep them within arms length otherwise they will run away with it. Let’s hope they don’t pick up too many trophies whilst they are a very good team.

Richarlison was Kane’s replacement but let’s be honest, he hasn’t worked out. I actually went into the 22/23 season thinking we could sneak third and maybe challenge but we slipped and Arsenal went to another level. It’s quite depressing 😂
 
Their rise has also coincided with the regression of City and Liverpool, but you have to be there to take advantage when the top teams are having off seasons. If City can remain within 6-9 points by March then I still think scum will get nervy but they’ve got to keep them within arms length otherwise they will run away with it. Let’s hope they don’t pick up too many trophies whilst they are a very good team.

Richarlison was Kane’s replacement but let’s be honest, he hasn’t worked out. I actually went into the 22/23 season thinking we could sneak third and maybe challenge but we slipped and Arsenal went to another level. It’s quite depressing 😂
Richy played a year with kane
I’d say solanke is kanes replacement
 
A small morsel of consolation that the VARcical decision to allow ARSEnal’s 2nd goal just before half time has been highlighted on Match of the Day, The Rest Is Football and Sky Sports Ref Watch as being incorrect. Hopefully the officials will balance things out in our favour / against the Goons over the next few weeks ⚖️☯️


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A small morsel of consolation that the VARcical decision to allow ARSEnal’s 2nd goal just before half time has been highlighted on Match of the Day, The Rest Is Football and Sky Sports Ref Watch as being incorrect. Hopefully the officials will balance things out in our favour / against the Goons over the next few weeks ⚖️☯️


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Did the linesman flag for that?
I mean there's three players offside, surely the flag should go up, that's instinct.
 
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