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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Brighton & Hove Albion FC ***

Silly McSilly Face said:
Thing is the refs are only human and things happen at 100 mph and they only have the benefit of seeing it at ground level from the angle they are looking at. So this comes down to VAR and how it is deployed. Right now its deployed in terms of "clear and obvious error" i.e. only the most blatant stuff gets overrruled. What you're saying is that VAR should have a role in ensuring rules are applied consistently according to what has actually happened rather than the ref's ground level interpretation of what has happened based on his view of the incident in real time. That would obviously require a complete revamp of the purpose of VAR.
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It would require removing the 'clear and obvious' benchmark, which yes, changes its remit from what it is currently, but I don't think there would be much 'revamping' as such? Keep it for the same incidents that it covers now (for the time being) but just apply the law rather than 'should the referee have seen it and therefore made a different call'.
If anything it might help speed up decisions, as the VAR officials 'only' have to rule on whether it was a penalty/red card etc, rather than then having to interpret the referee's view of the incident.
Can't see it happening however.
 
SpurMeUp said:
The way Kudus was pulled up for the lightest of touches in the back - when through on goal - and moments later Odobert was barged over with full force and no foul leading to their goal.

We don’t dramatise fouls as well as other sides - see Udogie who took a high kick and didn’t fall to the ground. Verses us almost scoring in the box and their defender feigning a head injury and getting a fk for a high challenge.

Then Bergval not popping the ball out when Rici was lying on the turf with no out ball. We are still a bit naive and these key moments counted against us yesterday.
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This is a different issue to the refs though and one i've banged on about before. We lack players with the streetwise nature and aggression of peak Dele and Lamela. Lamela getting shot by a sniper in the crowd and getting Man U reduced to ten is the sort of ingredient needed to elevate what is a semi decent top half type team to a really competitive team at the very higest level. Used to absolutely love Lamela. He'd be goading and winding up the other side game. I used to watch him off the ball all the time he'd be chatting sh*t to the other team's players, shruggling his shoulders or making little gestures ....rile them up, get them off their rythmn. We are still too nice as you say
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Only seen the MOTD highlights
Seems to be comments there that we were great and should have won
The stats don’t really show that
Was we good?
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I missed most of the first half thankfully, but second half we were dominant without really creating much in terms of chances. Lots of crosses and corners that weren't quite good enough. A few slip ups which allowed Brighton to counter.
 
VAR has been a massive disappointment to me, I was strongly in favour of as I had hoped it would remove all the poor decisions which seemed to favour those "in the club" teams.
Instead of reducing the number of controversial incidents it has increased them. Now virtually every game has a debatable call by the ref or the boys in the box.
Prior to VAR decision were based on the subjective view of the ref and his servants and VAR would check to see if those were right, now it appears to me it simply supports the original decision in the same subjective method.
When analysis by the "experts" in media some fouls are judged as soft which appears to be the system used by VAR. I never knew that in Laws of the Game that fouls had a table of classification where foul play could be ignored.
It's not an easy job and we all have a bias we are probably blind to but I feel most fans would welcome VAR being scraped or overseen by officals who have no conection with the current referee association.
 
I've only seen MotD and Sky highlights but we looked good in most parts of the match. It was pleasantly surprising to hear commentators and pundits speaking positively about our performance, perhaps its because I usually watch with mute on.
 
Put more context on that result

Chelsea lost and got injuries / Keeper sent off

Saudi Sportswashing Machine a decent point away - but looked poor

Arsenal v city - so at best one team can come away with a win after playing CL midweek.

It's tough
 
thfcsteff said:
I'd rather Semanyo.
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I cannot imagine he would be available for less than £80m, probable more.
Silly McSilly Face said:
Anyone? What about Wilson Odobert?
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He just needs more time.

thfcsteff said:
He will not make it with us. I'd be happy to offload him in January as long as we upgrade significantly. He's a decent mid-league player (I think somewhere like Brentford he'd do OK) but he is not the required standard for me if we want to push on.
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I am stunned that you of all people have written Odobert of all ready. I expected you to be more balanced, just as you come across on the pod ;)

Odobert is still just 20 years and 297 days and has scored 6 premier League goals (3 for Burnley and 3 for us), 1 domestic cup goal for Burnley, and 2 Europa League goals for us. At the same age Kane had scored 3 Premier League goals for us and a league cup goal. Sure he had scored goals on loan at Millwall, Orient, Norwich and Leicester, but he had done noting to suggest that he would become a World Class player. I just think we should give the lad some more time before we write him off.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
I cannot imagine he would be available for less than £80m, probable more.

He just needs more time.


I am stunned that you of all people have written Odobert of all ready. I expected you to be more balanced, just as you come across on the pod ;)

Odobert is still just 20 years and 297 days and has scored 6 premier League goals (3 for Burnley and 3 for us), 1 domestic cup goal for Burnley, and 2 Europa League goals for us. At the same age Kane had scored 3 Premier League goals for us and a league cup goal. Sure he had scored goals on loan at Millwall, Orient, Norwich and Leicester, but he had done noting to suggest that he would become a World Class player. I just think we should give the lad some more time before we write him off.
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You also didn't see my other replies re:Odobert did you.

Essentially I agreed with others that I was being harsh. Several posts before you and @SpurMeUp responded to my original one about him.

So to clarify. I ultimately do not think as of bow he will make it with us. I do think I am being harsh as he is still young. It is possible he hits his stride.
 
Missed the game yesterday and just watching it, did they really take longer on the var check for Richie's goal than for minteh's?
And why wasn't minteh booked, I thought you couldn't show messages on your kit?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Thing is the refs are only human and things happen at 100 mph and they only have the benefit of seeing it at ground level from the angle they are looking at. So this comes down to VAR and how it is deployed. Right now its deployed in terms of "clear and obvious error" i.e. only the most blatant stuff gets overrruled. What you're saying is that VAR should have a role in ensuring rules are applied consistently according to what has actually happened rather than the ref's ground level interpretation of what has happened based on his view of the incident in real time. That would obviously require a complete revamp of the purpose of VAR.
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That is exactly what I'm saying. Those poor tech guys worked for years and years to bring a set of cool technologies that can help the referees get the on-pitch decision right based on the laws of the game. Then the stupid humans that run football negate all their hard work by implementing the technologies this way. Even worse, they hide behind those words "clear and obvious" to cover their arses.

As football stakeholders, we should never give up fighting for a better implementation of the tech. The only thing VAR should ever do is give the on-pitch referee guidance based on the laws of the game. Nothing else. When you think about it, the only debate really should be on the laws of the game. The rest should flow naturally. Tech could be used to improve those laws and get us back to a more entertaining product.

It's all arse about face for me with the way tech has entered into football.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
VAR has been a massive disappointment to me, I was strongly in favour of as I had hoped it would remove all the poor decisions which seemed to favour those "in the club" teams.
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It has removed a lot of them. But a lot still happen. Football pre-VAR was a joke because the top4 clubs always got every decision.
 
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