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Pierre-Emile Højbjerg

DeanoAustin said:
On PEH, I like the lad and he's a great pro. But he's missing something isn't he?

He is very mediocre on the ball and can't take the ball on the half turn. Just always goes backwards unlike Bissouma who is usually very positive with his first touch. I'll be sorry to see him leave but he can never be more than a bit part player in this system.
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Bissouma first touch is why he is banned
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I’m not
He isn’t a centre back
And he is doing everything he can
When he plays, the team is more linited
But the correlation between him playing there (amongst others) and the goals conceded is an issue
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The issue I have here is you're assuming with no evidence or foundation to sit upon that a youngster would be any better. Our issue wasn't so much the individuals at CB but the lack of organisation that Davies and Emerson were unable to project. Would Dorrington be any better at that? Who knows but we know Ange doesn't believe so.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Have too
But it’s worrying if so
Because that means we will never give the younger players a chance and they will leave
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If they aren't good enough to be given the chance then it might not be the biggest loss. Very few teams actually regularly get youth team players through to their first 11.

Over the years I've heard so many names that were the next certified starter and I've at times watched the various youth teams and thought certain players looked high in potential but they haven't worked out nor have they great careers elsewhere.

We have a coach who says that he will play thy players he deems good enough and we have evidence of him playing younger players, so I can't see that he just won't play youth players beyond him just not rating them at this current time.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Have too
But it’s worrying if so
Because that means we will never give the younger players a chance and they will leave
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Bedford, you seem quite insistent on saying Ange doesn't give youngsters a chance, but I don't see it that way. Firstly, at the very top level in the PL you find hardly any youngsters being blooded unless an absolute necessity.

Secondly, Ange has shown no problem with throwing Sarr into the team from the get go when he wasn't considered under Conte. Veliz has been getting minutes here and there. Basically it's far more likely that the young defenders not getting game time just aren't ready in any shape or form rather than Ange not wanting to give any youngsters a chance.

It's a very easy argument for armchair fans to say 'Just give the youth a chance' when not having all the information, and not having the pressures of being Spurs manager to contend with....
 
harr1984 said:
Bedford, you seem quite insistent on saying Ange doesn't give youngsters a chance, but I don't see it that way. Firstly, at the very top level in the PL you find hardly any youngsters being blooded unless an absolute necessity.

Secondly, Ange has shown no problem with throwing Sarr into the team from the get go when he wasn't considered under Conte. Veliz has been getting minutes here and there. Basically it's far more likely that the young defenders not getting game time just aren't ready in any shape or form rather than Ange not wanting to give any youngsters a chance.

It's a very easy argument for armchair fans to say 'Just give the youth a chance' when not having all the information, and not having the pressures of being Spurs manager to contend with....
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Sarr isn’t a youngster.. he is a £20m purchase
Same with Veliz
The pressure is huge I agree but even Jose gave players a chance to refresh his team
The vibe when Tanganga came in out of nowhere was really positive as fans got it and backed it
Playing players out of position and failing is not something that gets fans onside
And it’s not just defenders
Donley is one and the Spanish lad too
Both have done as much as Gil has… which is nothing
 
Bishop said:
The issue I have here is you're assuming with no evidence or foundation to sit upon that a youngster would be any better. Our issue wasn't so much the individuals at CB but the lack of organisation that Davies and Emerson were unable to project. Would Dorrington be any better at that? Who knows but we know Ange doesn't believe so.
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Should Vicario not be doing some of that?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Sarr isn’t a youngster.. he is a £20m purchase
Same with Veliz
The pressure is huge I agree but even Jose gave players a chance to refresh his team
The vibe when Tanganga came in out of nowhere was really positive as fans got it and backed it
Playing players out of position and failing is not something that gets fans onside
And it’s not just defenders
Donley is one and the Spanish lad too
Both have done as much as Gil has… which is nothing
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It's that age old thing, we aren't seeing what they are doing in training. Whilst you might think Gil is ineffective on a match day he might well be outshining Donley in training and hence he's the one getting the chance on the bench and first onto the pitch.

Again it's not a difficult situation to work out. Rightly or wrongly he rates what Gil is able to produce or what he expects from Gil more highly than he does Donley.
 
Bishop said:
It's that age old thing, we aren't seeing what they are doing in training. Whilst you might think Gil is ineffective on a match day he might well be outshining Donley in training and hence he's the one getting the chance on the bench and first onto the pitch.

Again it's not a difficult situation to work out. Rightly or wrongly he rates what Gil is able to produce or what he expects from Gil more highly than he does Donley.
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Gil may be smashing it up on training but on the pitch he goes backwards more than he ever goes forwards
I think with him he is playing him to create some value in him, even out of desperation
Can’t be because of end product, as there isn’t one
Managers do have favourites but I don’t think Gil is one. It just stumps me the chances he gets over others when he has delivered nothing to date
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Gil may be smashing it up on training but on the pitch he goes backwards more than he ever goes forwards
I think with him he is playing him to create some value in him, even out of desperation
Can’t be because of end product, as there isn’t one
Managers do have favourites but I don’t think Gil is one. It just stumps me the chances he gets over others when he has delivered nothing to date
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I don't really agree that it is an attempt to create value. If he thought Donley would produce more than Gil when we've needed something he would pick Donley. Ange wants to win, if he believed Donley was more likely to help him achieve that then that's the option he would take.
 
Bishop said:
I don't really agree that it is an attempt to create value. If he thought Donley would produce more than Gil when we've needed something he would pick Donley. Ange wants to win, if he believed Donley was more likely to help him achieve that then that's the option he would take.
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i agree
but I just dont get giving minutes to players who won’t make it in this league or team
right now Ange has a clean slate and so much good will
it’s the time to try out players
 
Bedfordspurs said:
i agree
but I just dont get giving minutes to players who won’t make it in this league or team
right now Ange has a clean slate and so much good will
it’s the time to try out players
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it's precarious. I would be fine not seeing Gil play for us again TBH (I think he flatters to deceive in a massive way) however Ange is in the position where expectation is big and the push is on for CL football. If he drops a 25 mill player for a U-21, that effectively tells the 25 mill player they are out. If we can't get Gil out, then it's a waste. Plus it is in those wide areas that Gil gets utilized. Donley's more central, so makes it tougher to make that call.
 
thfcsteff said:
That second offside especially waa because the pass came too slowly, there was no reason not to pass quicker at that point.
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I'd have to watch them again but at the time I don't remember being particularly angry at the speed of the pass. At the same time I'm not overly critical of Richarlison, just that he could see the line and thus could have held his run. He was very obviously offside, you could see it in real time.
 
thfcsteff said:
it's precarious. I would be fine not seeing Gil play for us again TBH (I think he flatters to deceive in a massive way) however Ange is in the position where expectation is big and the push is on for CL football. If he drops a 25 mill player for a U-21, that effectively tells the 25 mill player they are out. If we can't get Gil out, then it's a waste. Plus it is in those wide areas that Gil gets utilized. Donley's more central, so makes it tougher to make that call.
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But … if he plays full backs out of position what message does that send to young centre backs?
 
Bishop said:
It's that age old thing, we aren't seeing what they are doing in training. Whilst you might think Gil is ineffective on a match day he might well be outshining Donley in training and hence he's the one getting the chance on the bench and first onto the pitch.

Again it's not a difficult situation to work out. Rightly or wrongly he rates what Gil is able to produce or what he expects from Gil more highly than he does Donley.
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I think there is also some pressure in developing players to raise player value and selling price.

Not sure how it works but Levy has admitted we don't have enough financial might to compete with sovereign and oligarch level funding, not a secret.
 
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