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Raziel said:
Conte has been backed ..
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unquestionably, like all managers before him

but should we fall short this season there will be plenty claiming we could have done more, why didn’t the owners put some money in, get that top drawer RWB rather than settling for Porro, tight bastards thinking about sell on already

yes we signed Richarlison, but did you see the (reported initial) fee City payed for Haaland, we could have signed him if Levy moved quicker

etc etc
 
spurspinter1 said:
I do feel like Sissoko over Gini was a choice on his (Poch's) part but Mane chose not to join us, so already this discussion is going to cover no new ground at all.

It's like discussing who is "world class" or if top 4 means more than trophies, what's the point? How about you settle right in to your comfort zone and disrespect Dawson during his time at the club if it'll bring comfort to you as a complete joke of a poster.
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No Sissoko was because Gini chose Liverpool and higher wages. Poch did not want Sissoko. You forget he refused to use him initially and he only started getting regular minutes after Wanyama and Dembele's bodies failed them. Recall he was unable to bring anyone in for the 3 windows and as soon as he was able he brought in 2 players for the midfield in Ndombele and GLC.

Let's not distract and try and divert. You claimed Poch was backed. So a solitary window over the course of 5 years is backing to you? Your standards are so low you might as well be in the gutter. [emoji1787]


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Raziel said:
Conte has been backed ..
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You might have misunderstood what I'm saying. If those very same fans who complain about Poch not being backed also claim Conte has not been backed then fair enough. I'm yet to see that.

I'm someone who doesn't feel Poch was backed yet you'll notice I said earlier in this thread that Conte has indeed been backed. I'm not anti ENIC just for the sake of it, they get equal amounts of credit and critique when it's deserved.



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Bishop said:
No Sissoko was because Gini chose Liverpool and higher wages. Poch did not want Sissoko. You forget he refused to use him initially and he only started getting regular minutes after Wanyama and Dembele's bodies failed them. Recall he was unable to bring anyone in for the 3 windows and as soon as he was able he brought in 2 players for the midfield in Ndombele and GLC.

Let's not distract and try and divert. You claimed Poch was backed. So a solitary window over the course of 5 years is backing to you? Your standards are so low you might as well be in the gutter. [emoji1787]


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Yes I should be in the gutter where I belong, you're so right :D such wow, much impressive!

I'm so low like you say, so very low, if only I could be like you, let's hate on Dawson together!!!!! What a clam right? For trying his best?????!? You don't even know what your best is, how would you? clam.
 
Baleforce said:
Also, what club in their right mind storms in with a release clause fee on the first day of the transfer window.

I wish someone like that put an offer in on my house.
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Funnily enough if you had tried to sell your house last year that very likely would have happened. I was on the house search last summer and it was a complete sellers market. People were regularly offering 150k+ over the asking price. It was a bloody nightmare. [emoji28]

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Glenda's Legs said:
Again, you don't know what we tried. It usually takes a lot before a player will hand in a transfer request, preferring to effectively go on strike rather than lose out on whatever they might be due in bonuses, wages etc. I'd say it's highly unlikely Porro would have wanted to trigger his release clause as early as 1 January, if at all.
But yes, it is more likely that we simply didn't want to pay upfront and we wanted to pay a lower fee than Sporting had set as the release. I don't have an issue with that. I'm glad that as a club we don't just go out handing over €40m or whatever in one lump sum - especially if that has other impacts.
And we don't really know the details of what was agreed in the end. Presumably the fee is made up of a fee + add-ons.

By all accounts Conte wanted a RWB this January and he identified Porro as his preferred target. So we got him. We paid more than we wanted to. But the club stuck with it to the bitter end, despite the best efforts of Sporting to scupper things, and got their man. You'd think that would be a good thing.
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On the flipside Portugese clubs are notorious for only selling at the fees they demand particularly when they've already sold 1 player for the season they dig in. Pure guesswork but it does smack of Levy trying to oursmart or outlast them when in the end he's lost because we had to pay the same fee anyway, didn't get him in early and gave up 15% of Edwards transfer fee which could easily be another 5m. Not only that we could potentially be paying out 3-5m to Doherty.
 
Bishop said:
No Sissoko was because Gini chose Liverpool and higher wages. Poch did not want Sissoko. You forget he refused to use him initially and he only started getting regular minutes after Wanyama and Dembele's bodies failed them. Recall he was unable to bring anyone in for the 3 windows and as soon as he was able he brought in 2 players for the midfield in Ndombele and GLC.

Let's not distract and try and divert. You claimed Poch was backed. So a solitary window over the course of 5 years is backing to you? Your standards are so low you might as well be in the gutter. [emoji1787]


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Poch wasn't backed in the same way a lot of managers weren't backed for the decade preceding. Because we were putting all our money into the training ground and stadium. With near zero net spend for years.

Should we have done it differently is up for debate. Yes it probably would have meant more success on the pitch and i won't argue with anyone over that. But still to improve as a club as we did and close the gap, and now having the best facilities in europe is an amazing achievement.

I would like new owners, but i really would like to see what levy could do with money and a level playing field.
 
P.D. said:
On the flipside Portugese clubs are notorious for only selling at the fees they demand particularly when they've already sold 1 player for the season they dig in. Pure guesswork but it does smack of Levy trying to oursmart or outlast them when in the end he's lost because we had to pay the same fee anyway, didn't get him in early and gave up 15% of Edwards transfer fee which could easily be another 5m. Not only that we could potentially be paying out 3-5m to Doherty.
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Levy had nothing to do with negotiations till the last day. Caa were doing them.
 
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Glenda's Legs said:
You have absolutely no idea what happened during the negotiations. You are just assuming.
You think we should have paid the release clause in full, upfront. Who's to say Porro wanted to do that (given that it's the player who technically triggers it, not the buying club)?
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I don’t often tout our pod in a thread, but I will here. Give it a listen on the subject of the window. All I’ll say is that Chelsea’s egregious behaviour in the market has caused a very warped and distorted view of the market generally.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Well, we would have known had we tried to trigger his release clause, because as I understand it, they would have had to announce it. That they never did is an indication that we never tried.

As for handing out 40m in a lump sum, we had the liquidity for it - we had 50m still sitting around from that 'cash injection', as per Ali Gold. In terms of other impacts, it made no difference because we didn't use the fiscal space gained by not paying the lump sum on anything else - our only other transfer was a cheap loan.

Like I said, we got Porro in the end so it worked out, but it's symptomatic of the way we operate, and why we have failed at the death far too often - we spent 31 days trying to scrimp and shave pennies off the fee, and in the meantime, we are left to rue what might have been had we just had Porro for some of the many games we dropped points in, from City to Arse to Villa.

Clubs that care about on-field performance over scrimping and saving every possible penny don't let that happen, and it speaks to the mindset that holds us back, imo.

It looks like only new owners can change that - so one day soon, I dearly, dearly hope we get a Boehly of our own.
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Not me.
He is like the tossers who move into an area, over-bid ten times the value for a house, and subsequently cause the stable base of said-areas to be shoved out by over-inflating prices to ensure only a certain type of buyer will have access to said-houses. His behaviour is fudging disgraceful IMO.
While I’m here, can I also ask for us never to get blood money owners either?
 
Jurgen the German said:
Me too. Maybe things would have worked out differently if Matty Cash hadn’t scythed him down when we played Villa last season. He’d just got himself into the team. Thought he was done until Conte came him and he really turned his form around.
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I was beyond angry at that assault.
 
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