Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
The conspiracy theories around this guy are verging on the anti vax, flat earther type territory!
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Cristian Romero
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Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
The weirdest thing for me is people assuming a player wouldn’t save himself to prioritise his country over his club
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Indeed.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
You played the game to a higher standard than all of us
Are you telling me that players didn’t look ahead to games to come and manage their time?
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Earlier this season, think vs Wolves. He was injured against Chelsea, and then Ali Gold put out a video where he amusingly described Cuti's reaction to the physios telling him he couldn't play as being 'but I'm playing this week, yeah?'.
'No, no, you can't play is what we're telling you.'
'Okay, got it. So I'm playing this weekend?'
Conte also spoke about it that weekend, which is where Ali got the quotes from.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
I take no offence whatsoever. What I will say is that I have previous for only making such comments when I have good (and I mean good) reason. I find it interesting you have chosen to only address one area of my initial response. Very Talksport
...happy to be your stooge though, just reminds me that there are certain 'conversations' it is not worth engaging in. Enjoy the rest of the tournament
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DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
I take no offence whatsoever. What I will say is that I have previous for only making such comments when I have good (and I mean good) reason. I find it interesting you have chosen to only address one area of my initial response. Very Talksport
Well, glad you aren't taking offense, although you're being pretty dramatic mate. You're not my 'stooge', whatever that means - you and I agree on tons of things,not least on Poch where I felt like you were one of the folks who most felt like I did the night he was sacked.
But we disagree on this, and the evidence just doesn't seem to back you up, whatever your reasons.
As for the tournament, Canada were knocked out yesterday, so I'm gutted mate. I'll probably just go back to waiting for our own season to start up again. But thanks all the same.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Gotcha. Sorry about Canada, outplayed Belgium and the future looks bright.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Thanks mate - agreed. Whn the smoke clears I'm proud of this team and the future is bright. We were just overawed by the stage a little bit - it's Canada's first appearance since 1986, and you could tell the players let the occasion get to them a bit. Just needed more calm and patience with the final ball, which should hopefully come by the time 2026 rolls around.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
So no further information on these players missing games because of "injury". No further evidence to support your previous claim?
I'm not assuming that. I'm not seeing others assuming that.
I think it's fair to have some uncertainty about this. Perhaps he did save himself, perhaps he didn't.
What I've been reacting to is the narrative around this being that he and others definitely did save themselves. Was "injured" and the like. I think there's room for uncertainty. I think it's fair to include that uncertainty in how one speaks about this.
I think our players, when they've shown both quality and a lot of effort and hard work for us in the past, deserve some benefit of the doubt.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
Sorry I thought we had official quotes and things
I did remember his original injury when we were told it would be a month and his favoured journo said it would be a week
That was the one earlier in the season
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
I agree
I give players the benefit of the doubt when they earn it
This is a player who went to play for his country knowing he that he would then have 2 weeks quarantine afterwards, putting his club further out… and going to play in a country he wouldn’t actually be allowed to play in. That’s the priority he chose.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
To me that's and issue with FIFA and FAs putting the players in impossible situations.
If that's enough to guide your assumptions about what happened later and make those into fairly strong conclusion fair enough. We see that rather differently.
Just to be clear I think there's a chance he's been fit enough to play for us. I think the most likely thing that happened is that he was fit enough to play, but the risk of injury was significant. He then made a decision that at least Conte was willing to support in public. If he was fully fit I don't get the impression from Conte that he's the kind of person to just let that slide.
I think, without knowing for sure, without knowing what that risk of injury actually was (if that was the case) we should not make particularly strong conclusions about what happened.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
I think conte knew his hands were tied
It’s “muscle fatigue”. How can a manager argue that your fit to play when there isn’t physical evidence of the injury. It’s tested by his hard you push or pull
What we do know, factually is
Argentina wanted their players released early by no clubs said yes
Argentina have suffered some injuries pre tournament (very close to it) including a player called up for an injured player
this is messis last World Cup and they believe they can win it with him and for him
They were coming into this tournament in a amazing form
A number of their players were “dragged” off the pitch in Brazil as they weren’t allowed in the country… that’s quite dodgy imo and disingenuous for a country to take players from clubs knowing they wouldn’t be allowed to play
These players knew by going, despite their clubs wishes, they would have to do a quarantine shift and miss more league games for their club
When Romero picked up his original injury we were told he could be out for a month by the club. His mouthpiece said a week
He was out for 2 weeks roughly and played again
He was then out again with muscle fatigue but came back for one game in the CL vs Lisbon
Another injured player who couldn’t play, lo Celso, issued a statement around his unavailability. He never one mentioned his club or the fans, but only his country. These are players who are clearly proud to play for their country
They celebrated their win the other night like they had won the WC
Romero played in the first competitive game for his country he could. But he was awful
He came on in the second game, despite some talk he was injured and actually played well
if this was a player with a strong record of playing for us I’d be very much in the same category as most on here. But it’s not.
It’s a player who we know is quality but also we know has been inferior this season to last.
And last season he missed games because of international duty and injuries caused by playing International football
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Personally speaking i never did and i never played with anyone that did ( as far as i was aware). Obviously it would be stupid of me to suggest that it has never happened anywere but i think accusations about certain players who do/have is stretching it without any REAL KNOWLEDGE of it being true. This thing/ accusation about Romero seems to have been overblowed and taken flight by some.
I would be more inclined to accept that Lo Celso is a bigger problem though but like most fans we are not really sure of what the problem is.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
Lo celso is out injured. He is having an op although he wanted to delay it until after the WC at the detriment to his club
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
