Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[SpurMeUp]

It was all so predictable. A horrid waste of time and our money.

Scara wasn’t this your golden ticket? You mentioned changing EU laws on chemicals was something you wanted from Brexit. Will the £2b cost of setting this up (and ongoing costs) be worthwhile to taxpayers?

 

[Mikey10]

After that brickshow tonight (if Truss apparently had such a terrible time growing under her hero’s government why does she now want to inflict something very similar on the rest of us?) I’m expecting the queues at Dover to be even worse tomorrow, as any sensible member of the UK population seeks to get out.

 

[Robspur12]

My checks were precisely the same as before - passport in a scanner, look at my face and done. I've been through twice but only have one stamp so it's clearly at the discretion of the guard.

I've also been to Italy three times since Brexit and only have two stamps there too.

I've never been in a queue for the tunnel before or since Brexit. My parents, on the other hand, have had a couple of queues that lasted hours before Brexit - so this is nothing new.

You are the only person I know who is completely unaffected by Brexit, no checks on goods that are exported and no checks on yourself at the port. You are posting fantasy stuff.

Coming out of the EU meant an end to goods that fall outside the agreement, such as foodstuffs, passing unchecked into Europe. It also ended the free movement of people, so your passport will have to be stamped like a traveller from any third country when you enter an EU country.

 

[Lost Mango]

After that brickshow tonight (if Truss apparently had such a terrible time growing under her hero’s government why does she now want to inflict something very similar on the rest of us?) I’m expecting the queues at Dover to be even worse tomorrow, as any sensible member of the UK population seeks to get out.

It really was terrible wasn't it?

If this really is the creme de la creme of Tory talent then the whole party should be disbanded as not fit for purpose.

What it will presumably do is get more signatures to the internal members only petition to revoke the Criminal's resignation and allow the Clown prince to return in messianic glory.

 

[SpurMeUp]

It really was terrible wasn't it?

If this really is the creme de la creme of Tory talent then the whole party should be disbanded as not fit for purpose.

What it will presumably do is get more signatures to the internal members only petition to revoke the Criminal's resignation and allow the Clown prince to return in messianic glory.

Who would want this gig? Brexit has made it a toxic job with impossibilities. The Torys are still in 'fall-guy' mode lining up interim leaders to get through the sticky patch. What is funny is that Johnson actually engaged a lot of people. Illustrating that political communication should probably be separated from day-to-day government hands-on work.

 

[Mikey10]

Half a billion spent on a system which had no clear objectives, and no means of measuring success.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-system-worked-say-mps?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[Mikey10]

He must be lying.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-post-brexit-paperwork?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[Robspur12]

Who would want this gig?

At least 10 members of the parliamentary party. That's the thing about power or at least perceived power, it always has plenty of people who crave it no matter how toxic it seems to outsiders. Better still I think around 70% of the candidates were dyed in the wool brexiteers like scara. They don't think it's toxic.

 

[SpurMeUp]

At least 10 members of the parliamentary party. That's the thing about power or at least perceived power, it always has plenty of people who crave it no matter how toxic it seems to outsiders. Better still I think around 70% of the candidates were dyed in the wool brexiteers like scara. They don't think it's toxic.

There are a number of more discerning characters who are biding their time I think. Brexit is too prevalent still, and whoever takes over now, will be on a hiding to nothing. Sunak probably is the better fixer. They ("we" GHod help us) need someone who can pick up the pieces and balance the books. An almost impossible task in the short term.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Why do we have a minimum voting age and not a maximum one?

Once you get to 80 you should embrace your outdatedness and senility. Or at the least have to sit a 'voting driving test'. Our political system is being choked by an aging population and politicians that have to say things to pander to these mature folkes. We restrict uneducated people from voting, but not those long past their cogent date.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

Why do we have a minimum voting age and not a maximum one?

Once you get to 80 you should embrace your outdatedness and senility. Or at the least have to sit a 'voting driving test'. Our political system is being choked by an aging population and politicians that have to say things to pander to these mature folkes. We restrict uneducated people from voting, but not those long past their cogent date.

One vote on starting school, an extra vote for being 18-65, and an extra vote for public services volunteers (police special, school governor, magistrate, message board moderator, meals on wheels etc).

 

[scaramanga]

You are the only person I know who is completely unaffected by Brexit, no checks on goods that are exported and no checks on yourself at the port. You are posting fantasy stuff.

Coming out of the EU meant an end to goods that fall outside the agreement, such as foodstuffs, passing unchecked into Europe. It also ended the free movement of people, so your passport will have to be stamped like a traveller from any third country when you enter an EU country.

I've had checks on goods. I'm also capable of completing simple paperwork, so it's not been an issue.

 

[scaramanga]

One vote on starting school, an extra vote for being 18-65, and an extra vote for public services volunteers (police special, school governor, magistrate, message board moderator, meals on wheels etc).

Or do the proper thing and only allow votes to those who have proven themselves worthy through success in the private sector.

 

[scaramanga]

It was all so predictable. A horrid waste of time and our money.

Scara wasn’t this your golden ticket? You mentioned changing EU laws on chemicals was something you wanted from Brexit. Will the £2b cost of setting this up (and ongoing costs) be worthwhile to taxpayers?

We could just not set it up at all.

Saves money for the taxpayers and improves productivity, increases employment and reduces end customer costs.

 

[scaramanga]

I used to think Sunak had potential.

But if he's got this far through the leadership campaign without managing to understand people don't vote for politicians who raise taxes, then he's dumber than the guy he wants to replace.

 

[SpurMeUp]

We could just not set it up at all.

Saves money for the taxpayers and improves productivity, increases employment and reduces end customer costs.

Similar to using external global standards you mean…. I wonder who sets those standards…if only we could feed into them…

 

[SpurMeUp]

One vote on starting school, an extra vote for being 18-65, and an extra vote for public services volunteers (police special, school governor, magistrate, message board moderator, meals on wheels etc).

Brilliant!

 

[Robspur12]

I've had checks on goods. I'm also capable of completing simple paperwork, so it's not been an issue.

This is part of the problem, those in favour of Brexit have convinced themselves that it means a simple form here and there to enable movement of goods, people or services as in pre Brexit days. In your industry it may we'll be simple.

But let me give you an example of a food exporter. If they export any product of animal origin they have to get a health certificate signed by either an official vet or a qualified food inspector from the local authority (the latter can only sign if the consignment is fish). If the local authority can't do it, then the exporter needs to find an official veterinary officer, and there are not many of those around. If and when an exporter finds a vet, the process for issuing a health certificate is complicated. Where there are several forms each has to be stamped and signed in a way that satisfies the EU rules, the vet has to then watch the consignment being loaded onto the lorry and certify each step. All this while the LA or the vet charge the exporter an hourly rate which is upwards of £75. So costs and time soon rack up ( for a process that was previously very simple and no additional costs). If the exporter wants to send perishable goods across then it is often not worth it. I find some brexiteers willfully blind to these additional burdens.

Now, in the future a better trade deal might make the export process less onerous. But at the moment it is not always just a case of completing a "simple" form. I think that is why we have seen a major drop in exports between the UK and the EU, previously our largest export market.

 

[Lost Mango]

Or do the proper thing and only allow votes to those who have proven themselves worthy through success in the private sector.

Ah, take us back to 1832 when democracy still meant something!

 

[Mikey10]

This is part of the problem, those in favour of Brexit have convinced themselves that it means a simple form here and there to enable movement of goods, people or services as in pre Brexit days. In your industry it may we'll be simple.

But let me give you an example of a food exporter. If they export any product of animal origin they have to get a health certificate signed by either an official vet or a qualified food inspector from the local authority (the latter can only sign if the consignment is fish). If the local authority can't do it, then the exporter needs to find an official veterinary officer, and there are not many of those around. If and when an exporter finds a vet, the process for issuing a health certificate is complicated. Where there are several forms each has to be stamped and signed in a way that satisfies the EU rules, the vet has to then watch the consignment being loaded onto the lorry and certify each step. All this while the LA or the vet charge the exporter an hourly rate which is upwards of £75. So costs and time soon rack up ( for a process that was previously very simple and no additional costs). If the exporter wants to send perishable goods across then it is often not worth it. I find some brexiteers willfully blind to these additional burdens.

Now, in the future a better trade deal might make the export process less onerous. But at the moment it is not always just a case of completing a "simple" form. I think that is why we have seen a major drop in exports between the UK and the EU, previously our largest export market.

Try taking a dog with you when you holiday in N Ireland. Moving from one part of the UK to another post-Brexit involves paying for a veterinary examination and resulting paperwork which has just cost us £180. Needs to be repeated for any further journeys outside 28 days of the original trip.