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Sonny Walters
If looks could kill...
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Nuno Espírito Santo - Sacked
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Gazza
Nick Barmby
Looks like he brick himself ... again
Having a good workplace cannot be understated, if you have ever worked in any high pressure environment it can be absolutely a difference maker.
Delivering results is a different thing, and while you can build a mentality for success, it isn't necessarily the same as creating a good working environment, which can help motivation, help new players settle in and bring younger players through.
glasgowspur
Dimitar Berbatov
Totally get that, but as i say it isn't whatever some these guys are supposed to bringing to the team isn't translating to results.
I go back to jose in the tv show with Sissoko.
Is the drop off in quality on the pitch worth keeping Sissoko for some bantz in tge dressing room?
Harry alludes to it in his interview, if we want to fulfil our ambitions and win the priority should be good players, not good characters.
And can anyone say harry isn't driven, yet you wont find anyone saying hes not a good guy.
There are good guys out there who are quality players and winners.
We should not be judging on whether we keep or dutch players based on their dressing room antics.
Especially as it does not seem to be working.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Arseholes can succeed
A LOT and successful people are narcissists and borderline psychopaths
Our players are just too fudging nice
glasgowspur
Dimitar Berbatov
I want good guys and to be proud of the morals of our team and club.
But if they aren't good enough on the pitch, and imvho neither hart, Sissoko or dier are, then them being good guys doesn't justify keeping them.
Not if we want to win trophies.
Yeah but there's the point
- good player +good for team morale/environment = keep
- not good enough as a player = move on (e.g. I could give a brick of Dier's impact on dressing room, he's a disaster on pitch, so got to go)
But this started with Hart, who to me is such a bit part player, that moving him on (with all the other deadwood) simply isn't a priority, similar to the end of Vorm
's time with us, was he good enough? = no, but the actually playing time he would get meant that move could wait.
glasgowspur
Dimitar Berbatov
But we have several who imo their value in the dressing room is negated by their lack of value where it counts, on the pitch.
If hart, Sissoko or dier are great in the dressing room then employ them as party planner or something and give their place in the squad who can improve the team.
Would you take ramos for those threes combined salary plus say £50k a week?
I fudging would, and I bet it would improve us.
And anyone complaining about the loss of his mates can fudge off, they all want a move "to win things". Well we aren't winning anything with this guys.
Hart plays what 5-10 games a season and they're mostly cup games for the backup players, I don't think he's the problem at all. I should add he's also one of the few who has actually won something including premier league titles so I don't think having someone experienced who has played in those big matches is really a big deal.
The bigger priorities are those who are terrible on the pitch yet get given regular game time - Dier, Sissoko etc spring to mind. Removing Hart would solve nothing but selling and freeing up matchday 18 places would give us a lot more.
The bigger priorities are those who are terrible on the pitch yet get given regular game time - Dier, Sissoko etc spring to mind. Removing Hart would solve nothing but selling and freeing up matchday 18 places would give us a lot more.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
I think it is the biggest damnation of Mourinho's tenure. He allowed a lot of sharp players to get blunt, both performance and fitness wise.
Absolutely. For most of the season, our team looked unfit. Disinterested, unmotivated and unfit. I saw a group of players who have been together for too long and worked too hard without winning anything. Say what you want about Mourinho, but no manager could have fixed that without throwing the worst apples out. If you can't be motivated by being top of the league, nothing can.
They looked fine till november. When we had 9 games in a month, the same in december. This after a short summer break.
metalgear
Nayim
I agree that the goal should be objective results or performance standards and have to take priority....and the soft stuff is only a means to that end.
And I think Levy is the one who exerts his power by insisting on the nebulous stuff as you call it, which includes having direct involvement with the players which could be surmised from the Amazon documentary. I also think in the end it was the cause of Mourinho's failure here.
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And I think Levy is the one who exerts his power by insisting on the nebulous stuff as you call it, which includes having direct involvement with the players which could be surmised from the Amazon documentary. I also think in the end it was the cause of Mourinho's failure here.
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braineclipse
Willie Hall
I agree in principle. But at the same time the more attributes you want in one player the harder they are to find and get.
We've seen plenty of players over the years that haven't been good enough and not had a useful attitude. We need to get more players that have both, but one is better than none.
We shouldn't sign or keep anyone based on off the pitch stuff alone, of course. I don't think we do. The players we have that aren't good enough on the pitch have surely been signed because the club thought they were or though they would get there. They got that wrong in some cases, but I don't think that's because the club didn't or doesn't value quality on the pitch enough.
If the club is getting this wrong we're in all kinds of trouble.
metalgear
Nayim
What about Dier we don't give Sissoko an extended run at CB to see if he can come good. What's so special about him off the pitch that gives him the privilege?
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ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
Eh.? Probably because Dier was originally a defender. It was Poch that converted him to a DCM to save us buying one after Mason/Bentaleb.
There's no 'privilege' here, just the next manager trying to get the best out of a player who'd lost his way.
And him being good off the pitch hasn't saved him, he's very much in the 'sell' basket.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
My biggest issue with Hart is the fear of him actually playing a game or two!!!
Yiddo
Cecil Poynton
Tottenham Hotspur defender Japhet Tanganga is predicting “exciting times” for the club under new boss Nuno Espirito Santo, who will play an attacking brand of football.
The Portuguese was named as Jose Mourinho’s successor earlier this month after a lengthy search which had plenty of twists and turns.
The 47-year-old left Wolves at the end of last season after four successful campaigns and was brought to north London to try and get Spurs back to the top table of English football.
Tanganga, who is recovering from an ankle injury suffered at the end of last term, says judging by the way pre-season training has gone, the side is going to be set up in an attacking way.
“I can tell you for sure that we’re going to be attacking,” he said after attending a CPR lesson hosted by the JE3 Foundation, set-up in memory of former Spurs player Justin Edinburgh, at Riverley Primary School.
“That’s because we’ve been working hard on it in training and on pressing and implementing his ideas. I think the lads have been worked really hard and I’ve been worked really hard, so I think it’s going to be exciting times in these coming years.
“He’s been great. He’s been very interested with how Skippy [Oliver Skipp] and I have been getting on as we’ve been coming back from injury and he’s been cool.
“I think a lot of the players already love him in terms of we’ve been working hard and he’s been giving information to everyone and he’s been very transparent.
“It’s been really good, really positive with him and his staff. It’s been a great start and we’re just looking forward to seeing what the future holds.”
-independent
The Portuguese was named as Jose Mourinho’s successor earlier this month after a lengthy search which had plenty of twists and turns.
The 47-year-old left Wolves at the end of last season after four successful campaigns and was brought to north London to try and get Spurs back to the top table of English football.
Tanganga, who is recovering from an ankle injury suffered at the end of last term, says judging by the way pre-season training has gone, the side is going to be set up in an attacking way.
“I can tell you for sure that we’re going to be attacking,” he said after attending a CPR lesson hosted by the JE3 Foundation, set-up in memory of former Spurs player Justin Edinburgh, at Riverley Primary School.
“That’s because we’ve been working hard on it in training and on pressing and implementing his ideas. I think the lads have been worked really hard and I’ve been worked really hard, so I think it’s going to be exciting times in these coming years.
“He’s been great. He’s been very interested with how Skippy [Oliver Skipp] and I have been getting on as we’ve been coming back from injury and he’s been cool.
“I think a lot of the players already love him in terms of we’ve been working hard and he’s been giving information to everyone and he’s been very transparent.
“It’s been really good, really positive with him and his staff. It’s been a great start and we’re just looking forward to seeing what the future holds.”
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