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Next Manager?

Gutter Boy said:
Too defensive a setup and far too volatile a character.

We don't have the players for his system. It won't therefore be successful. Our fanbase are completely out of patience with negative football, so the stadium will immediately become a big barrier. Him and Levy will also fall out instantly

It will just end in tears very quickly.
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Our fan base is deluded thinking that it will take ossies dream to make a successful team. What is negative football? Grinding out professional wins, making us hard to beat? You have already started to dismiss him.

We dont have the players for any system at the moment no matter who comes in.
 
Gazza said:
Our fan base is deluded thinking that it will take ossies dream to make a successful team. What is negative football? Grinding out professional wins, making us hard to beat? You have already started to dismiss him.

We dont have the players for any system at the moment no matter who comes in.
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Because that's Chelsea or Athletico or Stoke. The whole reason 98% odd of Spurs fan support Spurs is because our tradition of being brave and assertive and trying to outplay anyone. If you lose that, what identity do we have, other than playing in crappy white shirts?
 
Gutter Boy said:
Because that's Chelsea or Athletico or Stoke. The whole reason 98% odd of Spurs fan support Spurs is because our tradition of being brave and assertive and trying to outplay anyone. If you lose that, what identity do we have, other than playing in crappy white shirts?
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Our traditions have been bottling big games, not winning cups or titles, whimpering at the first gust of wind ... the game has moved on since Hoddle, Gazza, Ginola etc ...

When was the last team that was successful playing the way you wanted? We didnt win a dot with Poch ...

We are not West Ham hiding behind the lack of trophies for past glories of trying to play football the right way. The right way of playing football is to win and do whatever it takes to get across the line, with brilliant play being a bonus.

You have blasted Mourinho previously at every chance, can you admit that his Chelsea first stint team was mint as was his team at Real.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Because that's Chelsea or Athletico or Stoke. The whole reason 98% odd of Spurs fan support Spurs is because our tradition of being brave and assertive and trying to outplay anyone. If you lose that, what identity do we have, other than playing in crappy white shirts?
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Crappy white shirts!? That's the best thing about supporting Spurs!
 
Mr Gogolak said:
I believe in most countries where slavery has been abolished, you have a right to resign from your job. There may be a couple of weeks of notice to serve, but that's about it. Rules are slightly different in football, but who'd keep a manager who's handed in his resignation? So if he really wanted to move back to Spurs, all he had to do was resign from his job. Regardless of contractual details (assuming they include penalties in this case) it would have been enough to force a move. You can't afford to have a want-away manager at this level.

Coming back here would have been a professional suicide, anyway. What other club would ever appoint him in the future, if he resigns from a top job six months after coming in? He has to be sacked if he wants to stay in the game.
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That's a bit of a contradictory post. On the one hand you say that "if he really wanted to move back to Spurs, all he had to do was resign" and immediately follow it with "What other club would ever appoint him in the future, if he resigns from a top job six months after coming in?"

So there's your answer: he may want to come, but realizes that what he would have to do to come here might negatively impact him professionally. So although it's not slavery, there are other things besides that that would force certain decisions.
 
Gazza said:
Our traditions have been bottling big games, not winning cups or titles, whimpering at the first gust of wind ... the game has moved on since Hoddle, Gazza, Ginola etc ...

When was the last team that was successful playing the way you wanted? We didnt win a dot with Poch ...

We are not West Ham hiding behind the lack of trophies for past glories of trying to play football the right way. The right way of playing football is to win and do whatever it takes to get across the line, with brilliant play being a bonus.

You have blasted Mourinho previously at every chance, can you admit that his Chelsea first stint team was mint as was his team at Real.
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City, Liverpool, United and Arsenal all generally play the way we should. Chelsea are the only traditional anti-football team of the big 6, and are the ones we really shouldn't be trying to become a poor man's version of.
 
Mr Gogolak said:
In France specifically, the notice to be served ranges between 1 and 3 months, depending on the collective agreement in your field of activity, if I remember correctly.

But having said that, I'm not sure I can't think of a manager who's been held by a club against his wishes. It doesn't make much sense as it would have a massive deterrent effect on potential new managers.
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I think you're right, but even if you think about it logically, if a manager wanted to quit in June, would you force him to stay 3 months and get a new manager in in August? Or appoint another manager and have them working side by side for 3 months? So, although the 1/3/9/whatever month rule may apply in most businesses and for most professions, it definitely doesn't make any sense when it comes to a football manager and no club would be silly enough to enforce it.
 
Gutter Boy said:
City, Liverpool, United and Arsenal all generally play the way we should. Chelsea are the only traditional anti-football team of the big 6, and are the ones we really shouldn't be trying to become a poor man's version of.
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Liverpool won the title playing it over the top of teams for their front 3.
Utd play counter attacking against any team above 12th in the league.
Arteta has Arsenal spamming crosses for 90 mins to attacks who can't header.

The team you left out have some of the highest goal scored tallies, best defensive records in recent history. I think Conte's Inter outscored City this season and only just scored less than Atalanta who are regarded as an expansive attacking team.
 
Gutter Boy said:
City, Liverpool, United and Arsenal all generally play the way we should. Chelsea are the only traditional anti-football team of the big 6, and are the ones we really shouldn't be trying to become a poor man's version of.
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Those teams attract a better calibre of player than us, or pay the money to get them. At the moment we have to do whatever we can within our confinements to even close the gap, if it means winning ugly so be it, otherwise we will be back to Spurs of the 90s ... nothing to really play for just drifting in the league with no direction with one or two players to turn up with a moment of magic once in a while.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Too defensive a setup and far too volatile a character.

We don't have the players for his system. It won't therefore be successful. Our fanbase are completely out of patience with negative football, so the stadium will immediately become a big barrier. Him and Levy will also fall out instantly

It will just end in tears very quickly.
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What are the right players for his system? Who would you swap out for whom from our current squad to make them fit?
 
Gutter Boy said:
----------------------------Lloris

-----------Dier-----------Alder---------Davies

Bergwijn-----------------------------------------Regullion
-------------Alli--------Hojberg------Sissoko

-----------------Son------------Lukaku

Is probably the closest we get to a Conte look?
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That looks a particularly horrible lineup. The entire back 3 then Sissoko and Ali as a CMs!

Looks a very top 8 at best side.
 
Gazza said:
Those teams attract a better calibre of player than us, or pay the money to get them. At the moment we have to do whatever we can within our confinements to even close the gap, if it means winning ugly so be it, otherwise we will be back to Spurs of the 90s ... nothing to really play for just drifting in the league with no direction with one or two players to turn up with a moment of magic once in a while.
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With a good manager we came 2nd in the league and 2nd in Europe, playing some of the best football we've ever witnessed. You don't have to go anti-football to punch above your weight.


alekaras said:
What are the right players for his system? Who would you swap out for whom from our current squad to make them fit?
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I posted this on a previous page:

----------------------------Lloris

-----------Dier-----------Alder---------Davies

Bergwijn-----------------------------------------Regullion
-------------Alli--------Hojberg------Sissoko

-----------------Son------------Lukaku

I think it's mainly losing the passers (Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks) and the high-line defenders (Sanchez) from the setup. I think that team could comfortably grind its way to 4th under Conte.
 
Bishop said:
That looks a particularly horrible lineup. The entire back 3 then Sissoko and Ali as a CMs!

Looks a very top 8 at best side.
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That's a Conte team for you. Organised defenders who barely leave the 18 yard box, engines in midfield, pacy wing backs, and a target man + runner up top.
 
Bishop said:
That looks a particularly horrible lineup. The entire back 3 then Sissoko and Ali as a CMs!

Looks a very top 8 at best side.
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Think there is little to no chance of that team playing

Some of what's being posted in here is bordering on outright lies. Inter often played with Eriksen and Barella, which is more akin to Lo Celso and Ndombele. If we get Sabitzer expect those three Hojberg and Skipp to rotate.
 
Gutter Boy said:
With a good manager we came 2nd in the league and 2nd in Europe, playing some of the best football we've ever witnessed. You don't have to go anti-football to punch above your weight.




I posted this on a previous page:

----------------------------Lloris

-----------Dier-----------Alder---------Davies

Bergwijn-----------------------------------------Regullion
-------------Alli--------Hojberg------Sissoko

-----------------Son------------Lukaku

I think it's mainly losing the passers (Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks) and the high-line defenders (Sanchez) from the setup. I think that team could comfortably grind its way to 4th under Conte.
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No chance of lukaku. If we ever bothered bidding chelsea would just match it and offer double the wages.

Kane will stay under Conte anyway.
 
Furthermore we have Rodon, Tanganga and possibly Anderson and Aarons coming in. How that translates to a back three of Dier Toby and Davies I don't know.
 
Little tactical analysis of Inter below;

Inter Milan play a possession-based game, focusing on intentional build-up, width and intricate positional movements to open up space. I Nerazzurri have completed the fewest long passes per game in the league, and when looking at their players and style of play, it’s evident to see why. Instead of direct football, thrusting the ball forward and long, the strikers will drop deep one at a time, coming closer to the ball and engaging in the build-up. This is done more so to open up pockets of space in the moment, rather than to be an extra number and create overloads. Passes are therefore often thrust into the forwards at the exact moment they drop deep, rather than the striker involving themselves in any sort of longer spells of possession in their own half. They receive the ball and then either advance vertically by running with it, or quickly play it off to a teammate before spinning in behind the defense for a chance at getting on the end of the very next pass into space up the field. This exact same method may be used in counter attacks, as one striker comes deep to play a quick one-two and the other remains high and wide to get on the end of a cross or through-ball.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/themas...-milan-tactical-analysis-2020-21-edition/amp/
 
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