So how about a World Cup in a country you'd really enjoy visiting?

[The Moonlit Knight]

I thought USA 94 was a great tournament, have some brilliant memories of that. Romario and Bebeto killed it then old Diegos fire dragon celebration.

Western Europe shouldnt have it all the time, its a world cup and Europe has hogged it for a long long time. Granted Europe has better facilities in place but often these events act as a catalyst for infrastructure and economic development.

It wont be long til China gets it.

Europe hogged it for a long time? No it didn't! It's alternated between Europe and non-European countries for years.

And sadly I agree China will get it. It's a disgrace just like them getting the Olympics.

I don't subscribe to the view that the World Cup should be used to spread football around the globe either. Personally, and I am aware it would probably never leave Brazil!, I believe that the a reward for winning it is that the country gets to host it next time around.

 

[Spursalot]

I agree with the fact that the world cup should be spread around to different countries. However surely it stays within europe every second time is because the countries within europes are readily prepared to host it?

Look at Brazil for instance, they are having to build new stadiums. How useful are these likely to be when The world cup is over?


I guess the Olympic stadium is comparable, however that is more because it should have been decided who was going to use it after the olympics before they built the damn thing. That way it could have been built accordingly, but that kinds of thinking would have made far too much sense.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I still have no idea how Brazil are going to be able to afford to host both the World Cup and the summer Olympics within two years of each other!

There's enough proper football nations out there to host a World Cup and make it decent, England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Brazil, Portugal, Holland, can't be bothered to list all of them but you get my point. It's an absolute joke that Qatar won it! Imagine if it really does get moved to winter like they are suggesting! And how it will fudge up most major football leagues as they will have a scheduling nightmare! I'm less annoyed about Russia winning the right to host it. I'm sure you'll get the scare stories and panarama specials about how racist a country it is, but we had the same before the Euros, and the tournament was a major success both on and off the pitch!

 

[braineclipse]

Agree with most of that Jurgen, Qatar sounds like a joke, Russia seems like a decent enough decision.

I don't share your concerns about a (northern hemisphere) winter World Cup. Most leagues have varying winter breaks anyway, shouldn't be an issue to start the leagues a bit earlier, put in a winter break during the World Cup and then continue the season.

 

[Spursalot]

Agree with most of that Jurgen, Qatar sounds like a joke, Russia seems like a decent enough decision.

I don't share your concerns about a (northern hemisphere) winter World Cup. Most leagues have varying winter breaks anyway, shouldn't be an issue to start the leagues a bit earlier, put in a winter break during the World Cup and then continue the season.

It's not really a break if your players are at the world cup. The number of games they play in such a short amount of time will make it a very long season indeed for a large number of players.

 

[braineclipse]

It's not really a break if your players are at the world cup. The number of games they play in such a short amount of time will make it a very long season indeed for a large number of players.

Well, obviously not a "break" as such for the players involved in the World Cup. A break in the league matches...

No longer of a season than the season already is for a large number of players, just reshuffled a bit.

 

[billyiddo]

I still have no idea how Brazil are going to be able to afford to host both the World Cup and the summer Olympics within two years of each other!

aren't they the sixth largest economy in the World ?

 

[braineclipse]

How long is the world cup anyway? I forget..


Looking at the 2010 world cup it would be approximately a month.

You would have to mess around with the transfer window in the previous/next summer.. Also what happens to the January transfer window if the World cup is being played then?

Hardly a big issue.

Move the transfer window to before or after the World Cup, it's during the season anyway, not much of a change. The summer transfer windows moved to coincide with the beginning and ends of the seasons. I don't see the issue.

 

[Jurgen the German]

aren't they the sixth largest economy in the World ?

I thought Brazil was a poor country

 

[Spursalot]

Also what happens with players who are left behind? would the league season need postponing even further to incorporate another set of friendlies to get them match fit once more?


It would be a huge issue mate, the amount of arguing that goes on at the FA and other footballing comittees it would take them frigging ages to come to any sort of common consensus.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Agree with most of that Jurgen, Qatar sounds like a joke, Russia seems like a decent enough decision.

I don't share your concerns about a (northern hemisphere) winter World Cup. Most leagues have varying winter breaks anyway, shouldn't be an issue to start the leagues a bit earlier, put in a winter break during the World Cup and then continue the season.

But major tournaments must take a lot out of players both mentally and physically. I think it's asking a lot of players to play a World Cup, and then go back to their respective leagues and they still have to play half a season.

 

[braineclipse]

Also what happens with players who are left behind? would the league season need postponing even further to incorporate another set of friendlies to get them match fit once more?



It would be a huge issue mate, the amount of arguing that goes on at the FA and other footballing comittees it would take them frigging ages to come to any sort of common consensus.

The clubs would have course play friendlies to keep the rest of the players fit.

No need for a consensus, it's FIFA. "This is when we have the World Cup. This is when we have the transfer windows. Deal with it." Done and done.

Of course people would overreact "oh this isn't how we do it" and "oh noes this will ruin the World Cup or the leagues".

 

[braineclipse]

But major tournaments must take a lot out of players both mentally and physically. I think it's asking a lot of players to play a World Cup, and then go back to their respective leagues and they still have to play half a season.

The tournaments normally come at the end of a long season. Now the tournament would be in the middle, they shouldn't be nearly as worn out to begin with.

It's the same amount of games, just shuffled around a bit.

 

[Spursalot]

Isn't there usually a break between the end of season and world cup/euro competitions? You could end up with some of the bigger clubs having players who start training in July and don't finish their season until mid june or something stupid.


It's not that there are any big issues. It's the fact that there are a lot of smaller issues. The big clubs would object to it, and the big clubs usually get things their own way.



Aside: Sorry, i keep editing my posts and confusing everything

 

[billyiddo]

I thought Brazil was a poor country

The economy of Brazil is the world's sixth largest by nominal GDP and is expected to become fifth by the end of 2012.[SUP][12][/SUP] Brazil has moderately free markets and an inward-oriented economy. Its economy is the largest in Latin Americannations and the second largest in the western hemisphere.[SUP][13][/SUP] Brazil is one of the fastest-growing major economies in the world with an average annual GDP growth rate of over 5 percent. In Brazilian reals, its GDP was estimated at R$ 3.143 trillion in 2009. The Brazilian economy has been predicted to become one of the five largest economies in the world in the decades to come.[SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP] Brazil is a member of diverse economic organizations, such as Mercosul, Unasul,G8+5, G20, WTO, and the Cairns Group. Its trade partners number in the hundreds, with 60 percent of exports mostly of manufactured or semimanufactured goods.[SUP][16][/SUP] Brazil's main trade partners in 2008 were: Mercosul and Latin America(25.9 percent of trade), EU (23.4 percent), Asia (18.9 percent), the United States (14.0 percent), and others (17.8 percent).[SUP][17][/SUP]

wikipedia though . . .

 

[Jurgen the German]

The tournaments normally come at the end of a long season. Now the tournament would be in the middle, they shouldn't be nearly as worn out to begin with.

It's the same amount of games, just shuffled around a bit.

It's the same amount of games, I get that, but it's in the wrong order.

How much of a break do you have from the end of the tournament to the start of the second half of the season in various leagues?

If a player gets injured, his club would be furious as it means he will miss some crucial games.

What do you do with the transfer windows as other have mentioned.

Too many wrinkles to iron out IMO

 

[Spursalot]

It's the same amount of games, I get that, but it's in the wrong order.

How much of a break do you have from the end of the tournament to the start of the second half of the season in various leagues?

If a player gets injured, his club would be furious as it means he will miss some crucial games.

What do you do with the transfer windows as other have mentioned.

Too many wrinkles to iron out IMO

They usually start about the 10th of june. But they also have two weeks being with the national side, training and having friendly matches with them.

Which would extend this required 'winter break' to six weeks.

Edit: which is six weeks of playing and training for those involved in the 3rd place game, and the final.

 

[braineclipse]

Six weeks would probably work. Maybe you would need seven.

Clubs are furious when players are injured anyway, FIFA doesn't care. No different from qualifiers or friendlies.

It's the "wrong order"? It's a different order, that's all.

Already said what could be done with the transfer window, I'm sure someone will think of something better than I did in 2 minutes.

 

[Spursalot]

Six weeks would probably work. Maybe you would need seven.

Clubs are furious when players are injured anyway, FIFA doesn't care. No different from qualifiers or friendlies.

It's the "wrong order"? It's a different order, that's all.

Already said what could be done with the transfer window, I'm sure someone will think of something better than I did in 2 minutes.

But where are the two weeks between the end of the season and the start of world cup training where the players get to rest? So surely you would have to increase it to eight weeks realistically? To get the best performances out of the players at the World cup?


It's not particularly feasible.

 

[billyiddo]

why are people so scared of change ? id welcome something like this (just to see how it works) and i think it's great that different countries get to host the World Cup - Qatar winning the bid though does wreak of back handed deals so is not something im particularly on board with of course