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Next Manager?

billyiddo said:
Sorry, 3rd twice & 2nd once - as someone who's followed us from the 60s perhaps you remember when when last time was that we were so prevalent at the top end of the table? Were we balancing the books and building a stadium at the same time?

The fact you're listing his previous clubs out, with a straight face, in your reasoning for why he's a failure almost defies belief - who wins trophies with Espanyol and Southampton? That wasn't his target at either club nor a fair expectation on your part.

Afaia he done a great job at Espanyol before having the team sold out from beneath him and replaced with youth players.

At Southampton he undoubtedly done a good job and we've already established he more than met his targets here at Spurs.

You don't fail in 3 jobs then walk in to a position like PSG manager afterall.
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I don’t know
Do you?

PSG will sweep the board domestically as well they should with their budget but they still haven’t won the CL which I find amazing

I know you don’t like it which is fair enough but I’m stating facts
Poch didn’t win anything with us Southampton and Espanyol

Winning just domestic trophies with PSG won’t cut it

To clarify I don’t hate Poch
I quite like him as a person and rate him as a manager but the wheels came off at the end and I wouldn’t have him back
 
thfcsteff said:
Simply put, he was not a failure.
As for what he said pre CL Final, I agree, he should not have said it, but he had some very legitimate reasons and I'll be blunt, I don't think they will ever emerge as I suspect the man has too much class. What I think is very apparent now is that whatever the result, it should've been his last game as he was never going to get the chance to go forward. Personally, I felt his big misstep during his time with us was the book. I still don't know why he did it.
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Agree with most of that and I had forgotten about the book

Ok he wasn’t a failure
He was a roaring success and our trophy cabinet must be groaning under the weight!

Seriously I agree that working with Levy can’t be easy but any manager we have is adequately compensated for it and it’s part of the job
Can’t be easy working with Woodward at Utd either
 
LincsSpur said:
I don’t know
Do you?

PSG will sweep the board domestically as well they should with their budget but they still haven’t won the CL which I find amazing

I know you don’t like it which is fair enough but I’m stating facts
Poch didn’t win anything with us Southampton and Espanyol

Winning just domestic trophies with PSG won’t cut it

To clarify I don’t hate Poch
I quite like him as a person and rate him as a manager but the wheels came off at the end and I wouldn’t have him back
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you weren't just stating facts you said he was a failure, he objectively met and/or exceeded his targets at the 3 clubs he managed prior to getting the PSG job - if you'd have just said he didn't win any trophies at Espanyol Southampton and Spurs then there wouldn't have been any need to respond (nor any need to actually state it in the first place)
 
Baleforce said:
I think the players treated it like a plateau rather than the next rung of the ladder, that getting to the final was an achievement in itself rather than being a required step of actual success.

The players were not mentally prepared to go and win the final.
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So because Poch celebrated the players treated it like a plateau and if Poch had quietly walked off the pitch they wouldn’t have? OK.
 
billyiddo said:
you weren't just stating facts you said he was a failure, he objectively met and/or exceeded his targets at the 3 clubs he managed prior to getting the PSG job - if you'd have just said he didn't win any trophies at Espanyol Southampton and Spurs then there wouldn't have been any need to respond (nor any need to actually state it in the first place)
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Pochettino was a massive success for us, no doubt in my mind. About two years ago it all started going pear-shaped for several reasons, masked to some extent by the excellent CL run. But even so that's quite a few years of performing well above expectations, a massive job. I will be forever grateful and can only hope that another manager will again perform above expectations for years straight.
 
braineclipse said:
Pochettino was a massive success for us, no doubt in my mind. About two years ago it all started going pear-shaped for several reasons, masked to some extent by the excellent CL run. But even so that's quite a few years of performing well above expectations, a massive job. I will be forever grateful and can only hope that another manager will again perform above expectations for years straight.
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And because of Poch the expectation has changed
 
braineclipse said:
Pochettino was a massive success for us, no doubt in my mind. About two years ago it all started going pear-shaped for several reasons, masked to some extent by the excellent CL run. But even so that's quite a few years of performing well above expectations, a massive job. I will be forever grateful and can only hope that another manager will again perform above expectations for years straight.
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I agree with much of that but my reservations with Poch are several fold.

1. His book was a massive misstep and contained a lot of nonsense ( substitutions, lemons , aura etc etc)

2 He lucked into a team ripe for his methods ( young - Kane, Ali, Dier) (exceptionally quick full backs- Walker and Rose, quality CHs in Verts and Toby, and two world class players in Eriksen and Dembele) . He gets credit for buying Toby and Wanyama ( both of whom he knew from Soton) and Son. He deserves praise for moulding an exceptional team which was exciting to watch. We were probably the best team in England for a couple of years, but he failed to win anything.

3 My biggest grip with Poch was his performance in the transfer market. It seemed to me totally random and haphazard. We bought something like 26?players under him, spunking big money on Sanchez, Sissoko, NDombele, Sessegnon, LoCelso etc. How many have been successes? We wasted loads on Jansen and the N'Twins. We seemed to have no plan and he didn't improve hardly any of these " raw material" players which would have cemented his claim to be a great coach.

4. His lack of succession planning was a real Achilles heel. He let a great squad grow old and or jaded together. He sucked the life out of Wanyama, Dembele, Rose, Ali, without ever having a cogent plan to replace them.Which youth players did he bring through? Winks? Hardly a world beater. Most other promising youth players were seemingly never in his plans or he failed to bring them on. Again, not a sign of a great coach.

5. By the end, it was clear his heart had gone out of it. His comment prior to the CL Final was hardly motivational. Starting a patently unfit Kane was a sign of his heart overruling his head. How do you drop a player who has just scored a hattrick in the semifinal is another rank decision.We failed to win away for over a year and the team looked shocking and had fallen to 14 th place. He apparently even stopped going to training sessions so Levy had no option.

I wish Poch luck in his new post and was glad he gave us a team to be proud of for a few years. But his legacy ? Not great.

Anyway that is positively my last rant on Poch but felt obligated as @thfcsteff had earlier broken our truce on this matter.
 
billyiddo said:
you weren't just stating facts you said he was a failure, he objectively met and/or exceeded his targets at the 3 clubs he managed prior to getting the PSG job - if you'd have just said he didn't win any trophies at Espanyol Southampton and Spurs then there wouldn't have been any need to respond (nor any need to actually state it in the first place)
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He failed in my view and I did say that it depends on your view of what failing to win anything entails

He did well for a couple of years but he failed to win anything unless you count the Asia Cup or whatever it was called and that’s stating a fact so in my view he was a failure
In your view he was a success
Fine
I have no problem with your interpretation but I don’t agree with you

If Jose leaves without us winning anything in my view he will have failed

I liked Redknapp and enjoyed watching us but ultimately he failed to anything so can be counted as a failure

Going further back I enjoyed the Venables era and he had success in winning the FA Cup so not a failure

Thats how I see things and why I started supporting us in the early 60s
We were great
We won things
 
LincsSpur said:
He failed in my view and I did say that it depends on your view of what failing to win anything entails

He did well for a couple of years but he failed to win anything unless you count the Asia Cup or whatever it was called and that’s stating a fact so in my view he was a failure
In your view he was a success
Fine
I have no problem with your interpretation but I don’t agree with you

If Jose leaves without us winning anything in my view he will have failed

I liked Redknapp and enjoyed watching us but ultimately he failed to anything so can be counted as a failure

Going further back I enjoyed the Venables era and he had success in winning the FA Cup so not a failure

Thats how I see things and why I started supporting us in the early 60s
We were great
We won things
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you started supporting us because we won things? i see
 
billyiddo said:
you started supporting us because we won things? i see
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Hmmm

Being selective I see

You missed out the part where I said that we were great

Before you ask we were great because we played great football and won things as a result and that’s why I started to support us
 
Gazza said:
How silly is this, do you expect the team not to be happy for going to a final ... its not like they were celebrating losing the final. The circumstances were exceptional and I enjoyed seeing the team showing so much passion. The game was incredible and you want the players to just shake hands and walk off the pitch ... what planet are you on?
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It was one of the happiest nights of supporting Spurs during the last 40 years. We were in the fudging Champions League Final. The biggest tournament in club football. 1 game away from a trophy we had never won. I couldn’t compute for 3 days after. I kept watching reruns of the game. The moment Moura scored the winner.

I don’t know which comments have astonished me more in this thread, “the celebrations after the semi final win cost us the final” or “Poch was a failure at Spurs.” Yep a forum is all about opinions, but some just leave me completely dumbfounded.
 
Robspur12 said:
It was one of the happiest nights of supporting Spurs during the last 40 years. We were in the fudging Champions League Final. The biggest tournament in club football. 1 game away from a trophy we had never won. I couldn’t compute for 3 days after. I kept watching reruns of the game. The moment Moura scored the winner.

I don’t know which comments have astonished me more in this thread, “the celebrations after the semi final win cost us the final” or “Poch was a failure at Spurs.” Yep a forum is all about opinions, but some just leave me completely dumbfounded.
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It was a “where were you moment”
I was at city away and have a scar from that game from falling down the seats (in shorts). The emotions in that game were IMO unsurpassable but it’s also easier when your there as you more involved
ajax away I watched with my nephew who I took to Spurs when he was 6 and he has been going ever since
When we got the winner I was jumping around sweating like a mad man. I slid on a rug and hit the fire place. I punched a bean bag repeatedly. I was wrecked and my nephew was all over the place too
My mate who I have my seat with rang me and he was in tears... he just blubbed down the phone - and made no sense
We rang out mate out in Amsterdam and he left the game at half time (we tried to get him to do that in the final).
I booked 8 beds in a Hotel in Madrid at a cost of about £2k.... I didn’t sleep that night until gone 4am
When I got into London the next day I had loads and loads of people who knew me just come up to me and congratulate me. They knew what it meant to be a fan of this club with the effort i put in to go (and take others with me). It was surreal for a good 3/4 days
Then we had the arguments about who was going with who... who was dropping out... who wouldn’t go without a ticket... and 4 lads that I booked a hotel for, pulled out so suddenly I’m £1k down
It all came together and we had a guy meet us from the states in the end (another story)
The final was brick, robbed by a ref and I haven’t seen that game back ever
But I’d gladly watch that semi again and again. The highlights give me goosebumps. The emotions from that game were and are unbeatable, unless your a zombie

i was also at Barca away that season and at no point even when we qualified did anyone think we could make the final
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It was a “where were you moment”
I was at city away and have a scar from that game from falling down the seats (in shorts). The emotions in that game were IMO unsurpassable but it’s also easier when your there as you more involved
ajax away I watched with my nephew who I took to Spurs when he was 6 and he has been going ever since
When we got the winner I was jumping around sweating like a mad man. I slid on a rug and hit the fire place. I punched a bean bag repeatedly. I was wrecked and my nephew was all over the place too
My mate who I have my seat with rang me and he was in tears... he just blubbed down the phone - and made no sense
We rang out mate out in Amsterdam and he left the game at half time (we tried to get him to do that in the final).
I booked 8 beds in a Hotel in Madrid at a cost of about £2k.... I didn’t sleep that night until gone 4am
When I got into London the next day I had loads and loads of people who knew me just come up to me and congratulate me. They knew what it meant to be a fan of this club with the effort i put in to go (and take others with me). It was surreal for a good 3/4 days
Then we had the arguments about who was going with who... who was dropping out... who wouldn’t go without a ticket... and 4 lads that I booked a hotel for, pulled out so suddenly I’m £1k down
It all came together and we had a guy meet us from the states in the end (another story)
The final was brick, robbed by a ref and I haven’t seen that game back ever
But I’d gladly watch that semi again and again. The highlights give me goosebumps. The emotions from that game were and are unbeatable, unless your a zombie

i was also at Barca away that season and at no point even when we qualified did anyone think we could make the final
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A true fan. Great reminiscences. Thanks for sharing. Cheered me up !
 
Pirate55 said:
A true fan. Great reminiscences. Thanks for sharing. Cheered me up !
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No probs
For me, there the things that make the game
Not the run of the mill 2 nil wins when you need them
It’s the unexpected or the freak games
And nothing can ever beat a last second winner surely...
 
Bedfordspurs said:
No probs
For me, there the things that make the game
Not the run of the mill 2 nil wins when you need them
It’s the unexpected or the freak games
And nothing can ever beat a last second winner surely...
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It’s the emotional highs watching Spurs that are virtually unobtainable anywhere else. A last minute winner in a big game is almost unsurpassably orgasmically wonderful. In a semi final of a CL it was simply unbelievable. Unforgettable.
 
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