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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

At least we know where we stand now - this is what our democracy looks like; this is what Brexit looks like.
No more bickering over any of that.
Time to move forward.
 
monkeybarry said:
Hopefully.

I still see no evidence to that effect.
Fingers crossed.
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Saw someone sum it up thus:

Never before has so much time, treasure, and energy been expanded to achieve so little. Brexit is akin to taking a sledge hammer to EU-UK trade and then trying to stick it all back together again with superglue; so it works a little less well than before.



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LutonSpurs said:
How is this deal different from May's one? The one this clam resigned over.
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We haven’t seen it yet! But probably the main difference is a shock of blond hair and some fatigue!

As is always the case with these things, it will probably effect poorer people most. Those with a few quid should be able to ride over the small obstacles Brexit presents. For example, if you have a 20k a year income (eg pension) you can retire in the sun no worries. It’s more with dependents. Still the hassle of all the paperwork though. There is now no doubt we are less free as a result.

With greater red tape, imported food prices might be a tiny bit higher. Again not an issue for those with some cash. Maybe the UKs less well-off like fish - let’s hope so.

I was given a grant by the EU to study in Paris at the Sorbonne and a someone took my place studying in the UK for a term. Something the next generation won’t have. I also met a lot of terrific people from all over Europe when studying and had the pleasure of being invited to Alsace (hot french girl), Italy (hot Italian), Paris (not so hot french girl [emoji28]), again something that kids of tomorrow won’t have - because UK unis will charge Europeans big fees.

Suffice to say, it is hard to get behind a trade deal that erects barriers and reduces our freedoms.


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The really Brexity types feel betrayed. They just need something new to be angry about I guess. And the really remain types seem the same. Also they need a new cause to moan about.

So what will it be?
 
LutonSpurs said:
How is this deal different from May's one? The one this clam resigned over.
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The huge difference is that we can change whichever rules we like whenever we like and that the EU doesn't get to decide whethrr they like it or not.

For some sectors we'll be far better off on WTO tariffs and not sticking to equivalence - that's now out choice to do so.
 
scaramanga said:
The huge difference is that we can change whichever rules we like whenever we like and that the EU doesn't get to decide whethrr they like it or not.

For some sectors we'll be far better off on WTO tariffs and not sticking to equivalence - that's now out choice to do so.
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I'm glad we have done it. It just all the showmanship that led up to this. It's hardly different to what May et al did all the work for.

And I look forward to the benefits you talk about actually helping the country as a whole economically.
 
scaramanga said:
The huge difference is that we can change whichever rules we like whenever we like and that the EU doesn't get to decide whethrr they like it or not.

For some sectors we'll be far better off on WTO tariffs and not sticking to equivalence - that's now out choice to do so.
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That’s not true. The EU can impose tariffs if they disagree with a decision. The very thing that no deal was going to do and the reason Boris was so keen to get a deal.
 
Robspur12 said:
We can’t really know that until we see how this deal plays out. From what I have read there seems to be a lot of room for conflict with the EU.
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You are right only time will tell in the long run, but despite all the doom and gloom from some of those who lost the vote that we will end up with no deal we have done so.
 
parklane1 said:
You are right only time will tell in the long run, but despite all the doom and gloom from some of those who lost the vote that we will end up with no deal we have done so.
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I think it’s fair to say that there were a range of concerns, no deal being one of them but a bad deal, i.e one that leads us to be significantly worse off than where we are was and still is a legitimate concern. If you lose a vote doesn’t mean that you lose your right to raise concerns or have to agree with course of action if you think it is wrong.
 
It's all just laughable. Was it worth it? Well obviously financially no. Not now and almost certainly not in our lifetimes. But again brexit wasn't about that, people were happy to tinkle on their own chips to "take back control".

But I mean, we just lost access to a security database we used 603 MILLION times last year. Imagine every day using Microsoft Excel and then being told you won't have access, and then to have the gall to stand there and go "yeah it's fine we're actually better off without it" with no actual replacement.

Still, that's where we are and people will celebrate that. Big sarcastic thumbs up from me.


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Robspur12 said:
That’s not true. The EU can impose tariffs if they disagree with a decision. The very thing that no deal was going to do and the reason Boris was so keen to get a deal.
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No they can't. An independent third party can choose if tariffs are required to rebalance, but the EU can't.

Under May's deal, the arbiter of that decision was the EU.
 
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