MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Tell that to the man who had the phone book dropped on his head...
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The Y word
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Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
I have been to the cricket and Pakistan England games plenty over the years and there are always scores of "Paki Power" signs held up by Pakistanis who presumably use the term as a weapon of pride. No different to use Jews that use the word yids as a badge of pride. People on here saying it makes us no better than Chelsea fans need a head check.
Its not that hard to work out the context changes in the use is the key. If you use it as a method of offence its offensive, if you dont its not.
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parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Does not ring a bell.
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
I think you need to be careful here. Context IS everything but in what moment?
The 'Yid army' chant really is a battle cry for us supporters. At home games BUT even more so away, as you arrive at the train station, up the underground escalators, all piling to get in thru the turnstiles, in the bars and pubs especially as i say with the Away mob, home and abroad. You will almost definitely be throwing in a few 'who let the yids out' as well. In those moments are you thinking (or even caring) whose around? There 100% could be jewish people witness to it, offended by it, even intimidated by it. They don't know the context, the back story (*hey we're actually on your side*). Maybe i'm wrong, do all jewish people know that Spurs are the 'Yid Army'? (genuine question) But listening to a intimidating chant like 'Who let the yids out' without knowing 'it's actually friendly' would actually feel directed at you.
Hands up! I join in this, for 30+years ive joined in (probably even started a few off), its almost a form of football tourettes for me, even in the car i burst a couple out if i'm hyped about something
...and the history and context of why i do it is solid BUT having wrote what i did above maybe i need to check myself? (it is so so hard in those moments though)
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
I think you need to be careful here. Context IS everything but in what moment?
The 'Yid army' chant really is a battle cry for us supporters. At home games BUT even more so away, as you arrive at the train station, up the underground escalators, all piling to get in thru the turnstiles, in the bars and pubs especially as i say with the Away mob, home and abroad. You will almost definitely be throwing in a few 'who let the yids out' as well. In those moments are you thinking (or even caring) whose around? There 400% could be jewish people witness to it, offended by it, even intimidated by it. They don't know the context, the back story (*hey we're actually on your side*). Maybe i'm wrong, do all jewish people know that Spurs are the 'Yid Army'? (genuine question) But listening to a intimidating chant like 'Who let the yids out' without knowing 'it's actually friendly' would actually feel directed at you.
Hands up! I join in this, for 30+years ive joined in (probably even started a few off), its almost a form of football tourettes for me, even in the car i burst a couple out if i'm hyped about something
In any moment, if you are saying who let the yids out or yid army as a badge of honour then the context is always correct, regardless.
If your calling someone a dirty yid a yid cnut or hissing gas noises then you are obviously a clam.
Its the same for the N word, I am sure there are many black people that hate the popular culture use of the word in rap, films and video games but you cant call a black person the problem for weaponizing the N word because prejudice people decide to call them it in a racist fueled way. Its the same thing.
Blaming Jews for antisemitism based on their own use of the Y word is laughable, simple
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Dude I'm a Pakistani Muslim. I've been beaten up more times than I have fingers for looking different growing up where I did. I'm jolly enough. Your comment about Jewish folk being victims really bothered me. Nothing to do with you being name called.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Fair enough, didn’t realise you were Jewish. I retract. Might have helped to preface with an “as a Jew”.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Which is fine when we use it our selves. As it is for Jewish folk to call themselves and each others the Y word if they chose to.
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
Exactly, which is the whole point.
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
I'm saying. In that moment when the Spurs mob are at a railway station or tube station etc shouting/chanting yid this and that, WE have complete knowledge of OUR context....a jewish bystander (ie member of the public) may not, and could quite obviously be offended. Is that ok?
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Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
Yeh because they shouldn't be.
StephenH
David Ginola
No need to retract, I'm not at all religious - my nan escaped Germany as a child I did not really know her.
My Dad helped clear some of the camps so I'm well aware of all the holocaust history, but no I'm not Jewish but my I'm not Pakistani but I know what being assaulted is!
StephenH
David Ginola
What's so wrong with being a victim?
I’m a victim, you're a victim it doesn't need to define us, does it?
I don't give a toss who we all are. I care deeply about how we treat each other.
letting a bunch of lairy numpty football fans upset them is sad and I feel for them but they must rise above it as you have and myself to a lesser extent.
stay safe.
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Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Surely it’s basics
I’d you say something that someone finds offensive.... it’s offensive by it’s very nature
You don’t have to agree with it or like it, but if the person the comment is aimed at finds it offensive then it is
So who is the word Yid sing by a Spurs fan aimed at?
I’d you say something that someone finds offensive.... it’s offensive by it’s very nature
You don’t have to agree with it or like it, but if the person the comment is aimed at finds it offensive then it is
So who is the word Yid sing by a Spurs fan aimed at?
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
It's a unifying call. It's a rallying cry that flys in the face of racism and prejudice. It says here we are, all together, humans. Come the fudge on.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
At least that's how I feel when I hear it, when I'm amongst it.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
I agree
But then I’m not Jewish
true story ...
18 years ago my ex boss was a Chelsea fan. Big guy. Looked like a knuckle dragger but actually quite sound. When we had banter he would every now and then call me a yid fudger
I was in the management programme and one day a lad came over to me who was on it too and said Dan we can’t go to this session... I’m like what are you in about. His reply “it’s the special day”. My whole team then looked around to see what was going on
I’m standing there looking really blank. He repeats of again and I’m none the wiser.
he then says we can’t go as it’s Hanukkah (or another festival that I can’t remember the name of and sincere apologies to any Jewish people for getting it wrong)... I’m still stumped.
then he goes, you are Jewish aren’t you? I mean you don’t look Jewish but they all call you a yid!!! Then the lightbulb landed.
Iain my boss was then said “nah Dan ain’t Jewish mate... he is just a Spurs fan cnut”
Poor guy literally looked like he was initially gonna cry. It was one of those moments that landed with me. It showed me how people may pick up on the trash talk in a way that drive different agendas and conversations big also put someone in that kind of situation that was horrendous for him and embarrassing for me
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
I agree
But then I’m not Jewish
true story ...
18 years ago my ex boss was a Chelsea fan. Big guy. Looked like a knuckle dragger but actually quite sound. When we had banter he would every now and then call me a yid fudger
I was in the management programme and one day a lad came over to me who was on it too and said Dan we can’t go to this session... I’m like what are you in about. His reply “it’s the special day”. My whole team then looked around to see what was going on
I’m standing there looking really blank. He repeats of again and I’m none the wiser.
he then says we can’t go as it’s Hanukkah (or another festival that I can’t remember the name of and sincere apologies to any Jewish people for getting it wrong)... I’m still stumped.
then he goes, you are Jewish aren’t you? I mean you don’t look Jewish but they all call you a yid!!! Then the lightbulb landed.
Iain my boss was then said “nah Dan ain’t Jewish mate... he is just a Spurs fan cnut”
Poor guy non-figuratively looked like he was initially gonna cry. It was one of those moments that landed with me. It showed me how people may pick up on the trash talk in a way that drive different agendas and conversations big also put someone in that kind of situation that was horrendous for him and embarrassing for me
But surely a brainelss neanderthal being a racist clam is very different to fans using the term for collective good?
People don't seem to allow for context anymore.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Oh I don’t disagree
He was exactly that ... I mean he is a Chelsea fan
But I wasn’t offended.
The Jewish lad wasn’t either that I could see. Just plainly confused