Jose Mourinho - SACKED

[elltrev]

It's very similar to what Klopp's methods are, which delivered trophies for Liverpool. No football club would be sustainable if you don't buy players and we're the first ever club in the history of football since the transfer window was invented to not buy anyone.

Like i said, maybe Levy knows something the rest of every major European country's football world doesn't. Paul Mitchell, former Director at Spurs (now Leipzig):

“My philosophy is that you need, year on year, new voices, new profiles, just to stimulate the group. Just to keep the group competitive. Keep the group’s daily training at its maximum — that competitive stimulation that all great teams have. It doesn’t have to be a whole wave of new players. Two to three to four players every window, of the highest quality, that can try to break into that starting 11. It’s crucial to continue being competitive at the very, very top echelons of the game.”

That is why Mitchell is determined to keep Leipzig refreshed every year. “Any team, irrespective of natural age, needs refreshing and succession planning,” he says. “Just to instigate the competitive element within the squad. Even ourselves last year, we had a phenomenal season under Ralf Rangnick, third in the Bundesliga, cup final against Bayern Munich, (but) we reinvested on players that we believed could actively penetrate the starting 11.”

This will never happen under Levy. If anyone thinks this will, on what evidence have you seen under our board that believes we'll ever put competiveness on the pitch as a priority?

On the evidence of this table that I created! It shows rolling average five year net spend on transfer fees among the 'big six' (i.e. the 18/19 row shows that team's average net spend from 14-19).

It starts roughly from when Levy was appointed (December 2000), and the horizontal line represents roughly when the stadium build was announced (October 2008).



I think it shows pretty clearly that prior to the announcement of the stadium our spend on transfers was competitive - more than Arsenal (presumably due in part to their own stadium build at the time), and comparable to Liverpool and Man Utd (despite them having much higher revenues than us at the time).

Then after the announcement of the stadium, you can clearly see our spending gradually decrease (and Arsenal's increase, after their own period of austerity).

And though it's not included in this table (because the website that I use isn't up to date), this season - the first after which the stadium has been completed - we've spent £160m+ on Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon, Bergwijn and Clarke.

Interested to hear whether that has any impact on your views!

 

[billyiddo]

On the evidence of this table that I created! It shows rolling average five year net spend on transfer fees among the 'big six' (i.e. the 18/19 row shows that team's average net spend from 14-19).

It starts roughly from when Levy was appointed (December 2000), and the horizontal line represents roughly when the stadium build was announced (October 2008).

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I think it shows pretty clearly that prior to the announcement of the stadium our spend on transfers was competitive - more than Arsenal (presumably due in part to their own stadium build at the time), and comparable to Liverpool and Man Utd (despite them having much higher revenues than us at the time).

Then after the announcement of the stadium, you can clearly see our spending gradually decrease (and Arsenal's increase, after their own period of austerity).

And though it's not included in this table (because the website that I use isn't up to date), this season - the first after which the stadium has been completed - we've spent £160m+ on Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon, Bergwijn and Clarke.

Interested to hear whether that has any impact on your views!

Excellent work on putting that together- i always remembered us spending what money was available prior to work starting on the stadium and personally found it unsurprising that we picked that back up this last year having moved in and final costs known/financing in place.

A lot of people seem to have a real blind spot when it comes to the effect a several hundred million pound building project has on the running of a club and it's ability to spend in other areas.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

A lot of people seem to have a real blind spot when it comes to the effect a several hundred million pound building project has on the running of a club and it's ability to spend in other areas

And the sheer volume of players brought over a period
If I remember Correctly we brought 25 players In under Poch over 5 seasons
That’s a lot

 

[billyiddo]

And the sheer volume of players bought over a period
If I remember Correctly we bought 25 players In under Poch over 5 seasons
That’s a lot

5 a season is probably average across the league id say

 

[Bedfordspurs]

5 a season is probably average across the league id say

Maybe
But when you consider we had an “enforced transfer ban” as some put it for a whole season it’s actually a lot

 

[billyiddo]

Maybe
But when you consider we had an “enforced transfer ban” as some put it for a whole season it’s actually a lot

Only ups it to 6 a season over the 4 ' active' years which again i don't think is out of the ordinary, first couple of seasons we were rebuilding from the previous era don't forget.

The stratergy in place at the club has always seemed to revolve around casting our net pretty wide in the low to mid range bracket in the hope of unearthing a few gems - without looking at numbers id say 6 a season would be fairly consistent going all the way back to the appointment of Arnesen

 

[Pirate55]

Only ups it to 6 a season over the 4 ' active' years which again i don't think is out of the ordinary, first couple of seasons we were rebuilding from the previous era don't forget.

The stratergy in place at the club has always seemed to revolve around casting our net pretty wide in the low to mid range bracket in the hope of unearthing a few gems - without looking at numbers id say 6 a season would be fairly consistent going all the way back to the appointment of Arnesen

So we didn't exactly buy no one then. Unfortunately almost all were outright flops from July 2016 onwards. That was our big problem.

 

[billyiddo]

So we didn't exactly buy no one then. Unfortunately almost all were outright flops from July 2016 onwards. That was our big problem.

Um yeah - that's generally accepted as being the root of our problems

 

[Finney Is Back]

You budget based on costs at the time you plan for
And you do allow for risk
But everything has spiked massively and hasn’t dropped
Steel is only one part of it
Labour also went up and up
It’s like everything
Just look at HInkley point and HS2

I wouldn't ever look at a state run project to get the real cost of anything mate.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I wouldn't ever look at a state run project to get the real cost of anything mate.

I’ve worked private and now state
You ain’t getting many £b schemes being built in the private sector to even compare
RICS are forecasting a 27% increase over the next 5 years

 

[MKSpur]

Who at Bournemouth would improve us?

Eddie Howe

If the price was right:

I’d have King or Wilson as another striker option, they are both superior to N.Oone whether it’s to rotate cover for Kane or chuck in to chase a goal.
I did like Billings at Huddersfield although not seen as much of him at Bournemouth - 2
Relegations might mean he’s a Jonah but he’d be an upgrade on Sissoko. Ditto Lerma although I think we will go for Hojberg.
Ake seems to divide opinion on here, I think he’d be an upgrade on Sanchez and I like the balance of a left footer in the mix as Jan is going. Not for the silly money he may command if United show interest.
I’ve long been a fan of David Brooks, if he hadn’t got that awful injury I think Bournemouth may have been ok, especially since Fraser has done an Eriksen this season. Brooks would be a huge upgrade on Lamela and would be someone who could share the Creative burden with Lo Celso. Not sure how he will be returning from injury but if we can see him play a bit or even loan him back until Jan to sweeten the deal as I think he’s a great talent.

Fraser has been mooted, personally I don’t think he has the stones for what we want given how he’s performed this season. Anyone who has ever played right back for them too!

Cantwell at Norwich as an alternative to Brooks perhaps, either full back would be an upgrade too. Not saying we go for all but I’d put a feeler out for those players to see if any would represent an opportunity for us.

 

[Benny_Lad]

Eddie Howe

If the price was right:

I’d have King or Wilson as another striker option, they are both superior to N.Oone whether it’s to rotate cover for Kane or chuck in to chase a goal.
I did like Billings at Huddersfield although not seen as much of him at Bournemouth - 2
Relegations might mean he’s a Jonah but he’d be an upgrade on Sissoko. Ditto Lerma although I think we will go for Hojberg.
Ake seems to divide opinion on here, I think he’d be an upgrade on Sanchez and I like the balance of a left footer in the mix as Jan is going. Not for the silly money he may command if United show interest.
I’ve long been a fan of David Brooks, if he hadn’t got that awful injury I think Bournemouth may have been ok, especially since Fraser has done an Eriksen this season. Brooks would be a huge upgrade on Lamela and would be someone who could share the Creative burden with Lo Celso. Not sure how he will be returning from injury but if we can see him play a bit or even loan him back until Jan to sweeten the deal as I think he’s a great talent.

Fraser has been mooted, personally I don’t think he has the stones for what we want given how he’s performed this season. Anyone who has ever played right back for them too!

Cantwell at Norwich as an alternative to Brooks perhaps, either full back would be an upgrade too. Not saying we go for all but I’d put a feeler out for those players to see if any would represent an opportunity for us.

Brooks and King for me.

King has surprised me, I had him down as a bit of a lump but I've seen him strip a couple of defenders recently. Like him a fair bit actually. Could go up a notch with better players.

Brooks is very good player. Might be too similar to Dele. He floats between the oppo's defence and midfield nicely. Looks like he can finish, I'd just like to see a bit more of his distribution.

The rest you mention are essentially the nucleus of a team sitting in 19th.

 

[MKSpur]

Brooks and King for me.

King has surprised me, I had him down as a bit of a lump but I've seen him strip a couple of defenders recently. Like him a fair bit actually. Could go up a notch with better players.

Brooks is very good player. Might be too similar to Dele. He floats between the oppo's defence and midfield nicely. Looks like he can finish, I'd just like to see a bit more of his distribution.

The rest you mention are essentially the nucleus of a team sitting in 19th.

Yeah I think they’d be the pick, Brooks may feel like he owes Bournemouth a season and the
Championship will guarantee him games while he feels his way back, although that may be tempered by Howe leaving.
Fair point on the others, although the players I have indicated they would replace wouldn’t have been any better for Bournemouth either, so perhaps my opinion of them has made me set my sights too low! I do expect Ake will get a top 6 team though.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Brooks and King for me.

King has surprised me, I had him down as a bit of a lump but I've seen him strip a couple of defenders recently. Like him a fair bit actually. Could go up a notch with better players.

Brooks is very good player. Might be too similar to Dele. He floats between the oppo's defence and midfield nicely. Looks like he can finish, I'd just like to see a bit more of his distribution.

The rest you mention are essentially the nucleus of a team sitting in 19th.

Brooks is a far better player then dele.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Yeah I think they’d be the pick, Brooks may feel like he owes Bournemouth a season and the
Championship will guarantee him games while he feels his way back, although that may be tempered by Howe leaving.
Fair point on the others, although the players I have indicated they would replace wouldn’t have been any better for Bournemouth either, so perhaps my opinion of them has made me set my sights too low! I do expect Ake will get a top 6 team though.

I thought their left back Lloyd Kelly looked a brilliant prospect while at Bristol City. He doesn't seem to have been playing for Bournemouth this season though (not sure why). I would happily pick him up off of them if they get relegated however.

 

[Diamond Lights]

What is our method or game plan under Jose? Arsenal have been poor under Arteta but seem to have a passage of play, some methods or game plan. No idea what ours is

 

[Grays_1890]

I would take Billings, very good player

 

[billyiddo]

What is our method or game plan under Jose? Arsenal have been poor under Arteta but seem to have a passage of play, some methods or game plan. No idea what ours is

Try to be tight defensively and hope the attackers make something happen

 

[Bedfordspurs]

What is our method or game plan under Jose? Arsenal have been poor under Arteta but seem to have a passage of play, some methods or game plan. No idea what ours is

Arsenal have progressed under Arteta
They know what their plan is
He reminds me a lot of Poch

 

[SpurMeUp]

Only silver lining from tonight is it is clear we need a big shakeup. Would be gutting to see Poch go to Saudi Sportswashing Machine.