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thfcsteff said:
So...this is all Labour's fault? No wonder Cummings didn't resign, he knows it'll be forgotten in days.
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Where have I said that? I have not said that anywhere. Saying they have huge faults and contribute to a mess is not saying they are at fault.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
That's largely on the people themselves. If they think if he does that, then f.ck everything I'm gonna do xyz all I can say is let's hope he doesn't jump off a cliff next.

They can basically use him as an excuse to do what they want, I think we agree that he acted in a way that was understandable, so whomever he is, the action of the f.ucktards isn't on him.

My behaviour/attitude towards the guidelines isn't changed in the slightest due to this, and i suspect yours isn't too.
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Indeed. I wouldn't allow buffoons to dictate my course (science and common sense + manners and social responsibility). But it would nonetheless happen.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Where have I said that? I have not said that anywhere. Saying they have huge faults and contribute to a mess is not saying they are at fault.
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How have Labour committed to the Cummings situation? Or are we no longer discussing that? I am not a Corbynite BTW.
 
thfcsteff said:
How have Labour committed to the Cummings situation? Or are we no longer discussing that? I am not a Corbynite BTW.
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I was talking about the political situation in general hence why I said the reason we have such a leadership at number 10 and have done through their own huge turmoil, DC, Poundland Maggie, Bojo, Brexit etc has been largely because of Labours inability to offer an opposition, so we are stuck with them because Labour didn't even come close to toppling them. That is indisputable
 
SpurMeUp said:
Some businesses have been using private testing for some months now. GP practices in Cambridge were paying for testing of staff even before lockdown. The UK has a lot of smaller labs dotted about that the government decided they didn’t need. Wealthy PL clubs could pay for private testing.


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
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They could. But should those with money get preferencial treatment at a time of global pandemic and a an uncontrollable virus just because they have money? It seems like that would disenfranchise people based on wealth at a time when it's avoidable - there is a the counter argument there of course that that is just how society is, and whilst I don't like it, I understand that is the status quo. However, sport is non essential and also paid for by "the working man" - I doesn't seem like an appropriate prioritisation to restart football to me.
I can't see any justification no matter which way you cut it. Perhaps there is a morale argument? But even that argument doesn't stand up to challenge, because of the other national sports that decided to end their seasons.

I really don't see any motivation other than money and power.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Facts are Labour inability to provide an opposition to challenge plays a HUGE part in the fact we have a poor set up now, there has not been a decent opposition to push a frankly brick show of a Conservative party for the last 4 years. Argue that? They are complicit, not at fault.

Also just to fact check you, saying the Cummings lockdown fall out was OTT is not calling him a genius, genius was added by you

I would not say being a Labour voter who quit the party under Corbyn due to Anti Antisemitism and the bullying of MPs who spoke out would be a laughing matter but alas I am wrong ey.

I don't see much wrong having a balanced political view where I can hold my own party up to questioning, its better than being blinded by some strange football club meteorology where you just brick on everything anyone outside your party does. Its that view that got Labour in the state it is in and fighting hard to unravel. The "FBME" Socialist Corbyn Labour where the left echo chamber was strong and abusive in its defence of the party and leader but dwindling in numbers so much so it became worse than the Liberal party, it don't make you a right wing Tory to point out that Corbyns inability to take advantage of the Tories in disarray.
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"Football club mentality"? What a load of tosh you do spout. It's called ideology sport, commitment to a world view and sticking to what you know to be morally right. If I was to move away from Labour, it wouldn't be to defend a bunch of privileged, self entitled Tory tossers as you seem to have done. Life time Labour voter, what a laugh. See, you keep on doing it, please stop! :p:p:p
 
Grays_1890 said:
Facts are Labour inability to provide an opposition to challenge plays a HUGE part in the fact we have a poor set up now, there has not been a decent opposition to push a frankly brick show of a Conservative party for the last 4 years. Argue that? They are complicit, not at fault.

Also just to fact check you, saying the Cummings lockdown fall out was OTT is not calling him a genius, genius was added by you

I would not say being a Labour voter who quit the party under Corbyn due to Anti Antisemitism and the bullying of MPs who spoke out would be a laughing matter but alas I am wrong ey.

I don't see much wrong having a balanced political view where I can hold my own party up to questioning, its better than being blinded by some strange football club meteorology where you just brick on everything anyone outside your party does. Its that view that got Labour in the state it is in and fighting hard to unravel. The "FBME" Socialist Corbyn Labour where the left echo chamber was strong and abusive in its defence of the party and leader but dwindling in numbers so much so it became worse than the Liberal party, it don't make you a right wing Tory to point out that Corbyns inability to take advantage of the Tories in disarray.
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BTW, I sarcastically described Boris as a 'genius' not Cummings.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
"Football club meteorology"? What a load of tosh you do spout. It's called ideology sport, commitment to a world view and sticking to what you know to be morally right. If I was to move away from Labour, it wouldn't be to defend a bunch of privileged, self entitled Tory tossers as you seem to have done. Life time Labour voter, what a laugh. See, you keep on doing it, please stop! :p:p:p
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I haven’t moved to anyone I just don’t vote, however like I said I am not so blinded by Labour that I can support the indefensible anti semitism and bullying like I said whilst claiming the opposition are the only party with faults.

That’s called being a sheep, so carry on with that if ewe like
 
Grays_1890 said:
I haven’t moved to anyone I just don’t vote, however like I said I am not so blinded by Labour that I can support the indefensible anti semitism and bullying like I said whilst claiming the opposition are the only party with faults.

That’s called being a sheep, so carry on with that if ewe like
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Allegations of anti antisemitism, get it right. Made by people who oppose some in Labour who rightly criticize Israel's position re Palestine. Don't let he facts get in the way of your argument. Funny that I have not seen any criticism from you re Johnson's regular and blatant racist outpourings. Oh that would be down to you being a life time Labour voter again, wouldn't it?
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Allegations of anti antisemitism, get it right. Made by people who oppose some in Labour who rightly criticize Israel's position re Palestine. Don't let he facts get in the way of your argument. Funny that I have not seen any criticism from you re Johnson's regular and blatant racist outpourings. Oh that would be down to you being a life time Labour voter again, wouldn't it?
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Alleged so why was Kiers first act to admit that it was a problem and would be his first action to solve? I suppose the MPs that felt bullied in huge numbers were doing so with an agenda?

A move I applaud hugely and gains massive traction with me BTW.

If Labour was such a well run party why did we lose so many Labour supporters in their thousands, take me out as a supporter to fit your agenda and explain the rest? Was it because we were such a force of a party or because Corbyn ran it into the ground?

I criticise Johnson I just take a more level approach to it all, like I said with the Corbyn leadership and the wrong brother I just don't get into the archaic political mud slinging when our own house is in such a state.

Looking at your total blindness to the issues that Labour has had that led to it not offering an alternative I would say you are part of the problem.
 
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Gilzeantoscore said:
Allegations of anti antisemitism, get it right. Made by people who oppose some in Labour who rightly criticize Israel's position re Palestine. Don't let he facts get in the way of your argument. Funny that I have not seen any criticism from you re Johnson's regular and blatant racist outpourings. Oh that would be down to you being a life time Labour voter again, wouldn't it?
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Oh my.

You're a prize.
 
MKSpur said:
They’re called Shusher bars...
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Anyone remember a place around Tottemham Ct road? Called backbeat or suchlike. It had the feeling of a squat or what you'd call a pop-up bar now. Had a drinks bar, dance floor, pool room, and on the top floor a hatch where people bought weed, Amsterdam-like. Was well organised, and lasted a long time with the policing turning a blind eye. Then an Evening Standard journalist ran a piece on it and it was shut down. I wonder who was running it.
 
monkeybarry said:
They could. But should those with money get preferencial treatment at a time of global pandemic and a an uncontrollable virus just because they have money? It seems like that would disenfranchise people based on wealth at a time when it's avoidable - there is a the counter argument there of course that that is just how society is, and whilst I don't like it, I understand that is the status quo. However, sport is non essential and also paid for by "the working man" - I doesn't seem like an appropriate prioritisation to restart football to me.
I can't see any justification no matter which way you cut it. Perhaps there is a morale argument? But even that argument doesn't stand up to challenge, because of the other national sports that decided to end their seasons.

I really don't see any motivation other than money and power.
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Wealth is unfair full stop is it not?

If capacity for NHS testing is not affected (and the government didn't use small local labs but went for large centralised testing, probably in error) does it matter? You could make a case for it allowing the nation a pastime again. Providing entertainment. Personally I would prefer the season cancelled, would be funny to snuff pool, and give us CL again.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Wealth is unfair full stop is it not?

If capacity for NHS testing is not affected (and the government didn't use small local labs but went for large centralised testing, probably in error) does it matter? You could make a case for it allowing the nation a pastime again. Providing entertainment. Personally I would prefer the season cancelled, would be funny to snuff pool, and give us CL again.
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Funnily, I was just reading the plans for televising the games and thinking it will actually be very useful in stopping people going out quite so much, possibly.
Even with your argument above, which I'm not I agree with, but also seems a reasonable position, so I'm not sure I disagree with it either - the key question that comes out of it for me is, what makes premier League football more important than league 2, than cricket, than rugby etc. Edit - i meant to add, because calling it a national pastime disenfranchises anyone that doesn't like football. How can it be justified to prioritize football over other large uptake entertainment?

And maybe that is it, the numbers of customers is huge, so it can be justified. That makes sense. But then brings me back to business sizes - surely the same kind of rules can apply. And theatre - can theatres now do outdoor performances and broadcast them? Maybe they can.
 
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