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Danishfurniturelover said:
People are getting theit knickers in a twist over this and if they were being honest there going after him for more then just this issue. Which is why i will defend him.
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Linking todays football story for a reason and the knickers in a twist is a great reason.

I watched the BBC early who promoted this idea that Cummings should be sacked and the tone was doom and gloom and then "on a positive note" football is coming back, thats a change in tone I don't understand personally and it kind of demonstrates a lack of people to remain consistent with their views.

The idea that a man who drove his family without stopping to Durham and back (except for a wee) and he went off piste again with the same people so not spreading the virus for a trip is somehow worse than 220 men playing a contact sport and potentially spreading the virus in a far greater way is laughable even with the "technicalities" people don't trust politicians its been proven with many footballers including our own that you can't trust them to stick to the rules.

I think it proves that rage is selective
 
Grays_1890 said:
Well its been given its own guidance which isn't blanket, the government has created a rule that if it can ensure full medical safety then it can but there has already been spread caused as proven in Germany so I don't see how it can. Again especially as testing as recently as today has been proven to have huge holes in it.

Football coming back is not really anything like state run schooling coming back. One education is a key part of society and also the key research suggests kids do not contract the virus in anywhere near the same way as adults and apparently do not pass it on as aggressively as adults. But I would also return to the fact that education is key.
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Alright then, it's like shops reopening. What's the difference? The government have given them the guidelines, they're working within them. If it fails, the government will have to close it down. It's not like they've given them the fingers and done it anyway.

Who are these cases in Germany?

What are there huge holes in testing revealed today?
 
Hanrooster has just said that under track and trace, anyone who has symptoms of coronavirus "must isolate immediately and go and get a test". Not sure how that works, unless he means ask to be tested and someone comes to your home?
It will be voluntary at first, but they might make it mandatory if people are not obeying.
So why not just make it mandatory from the outset?

Edit - from 9am tomorrow, if contacted by track and trace personnel and told to isolate, you have to isolate even if you do not have symptoms. I think this is the bit they are saying is voluntary at first. I don't think he actually means that, but I am not sure what he means by 'voluntary'. I think it might be that they won't introduce sanctions initially for people not complying.
 
parklane1 said:
Well that's it then, Alastair Campbell the bastion of Truth and Honesty. ( best laugh i have had for ages)
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Robspur12 said:
Can’t say I particularly like him, but it’s hard to argue with what he says about the Government’s handling of this crisis. I look at the number of deaths and I despair, I know my aunt is one of those, a 69 year old nurse who died before her time trying to ensure the residents of the nursing home she worked at were looked after. The delays in implementing the track and trace system will no doubt cost more lives as the lockdown is lifted.
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That’s why I posted it with the comment about a stopped clock being right twice a day. The bloke has been seriously wrong on things before - but he has made very clear some serious flaws in the government’s response there imo.

Having just watched the latest car crash (Liaison Committee Briefing, at which the Prime Minister knew...not very much) I agree with Campbell’s views even more.

Now it’s time for Hanrooster’s Half Hour.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Hanrooster has just said that under track and trace, anyone who has symptoms of coronavirus "must isolate immediately and go and get a test". Not sure how that works, unless he means ask to be tested and someone comes to your home?
It will be voluntary at first, but they might make it mandatory if people are not obeying.
So why not just make it mandatory from the outset?
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Why isolate at home immediately? Is this new? I thought you could travel anywhere when infected - with your family? Has the advice changed again?
 
Seedy Ron said:
Alright then, it's like shops reopening. What's the difference? The government have given them the guidelines, they're working within them. If it fails, the government will have to close it down. It's not like they've given them the fingers and done it anyway.

Who are these cases in Germany?

What are there huge holes in testing revealed today?
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Non essential shops are not open and many that rely on social contact like restaurants and bars won’t be open and when open will rely on social distancing.

Boris in his briefing was suggesting today in his committee on BBC that mild or asymptomatic Symptom sufferers tests are sometimes coming back negative.

So if testing is not 100% I would argue the risk is too high.

We know Corona Virus is passed by contact so why would we promote a contact sport?

Only in a confused world would anyone condemn actions of someone looking after the interests of their family due to risk of passing on a virus but promote the idea of a multiple contact sport twice a week. That defies any logic however it’s justified or “loop holes” people look for ha
 
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Mikey10 said:
Why isolate at home immediately? Is this new? I thought you could travel anywhere when infected - with your family? Has the advice changed again?
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Track and trace is good news

But a couple of points


1. There is no need for the 14 day isolation at airports now

2. It’s delayed so much to the point people are going back to work, who will cover wages of those needing to isolation
 
Grays_1890 said:
Would you see Football above the rules bearing in mind there is going to be 20 teams of 11 potentially spreading the virus regardless of the measures taken? They believe their measures omit the chance of spread so did Cummings by driving straight point to point. I see more likelihood of spread based on 220 men in a close contact sport regardless of the perceived of explained measures than one man and his family. But he is being hounded and Footballs being applauded (or it was reported as good news on tele) so are we putting Football above health and safety?

I certainly don't see the same level of horror at the idea of the virus being spread
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I actually don't see how football can return at present without a risk of spread. That is my view - but if guidance has a different view I will respect that view.
There has clearly been a prolonged consultative process and as it stands no decisions to restart football has been agreed upon.
A mid June football return would, it seems, coincide with eased lockdown rules which will see reduced lockdown and less social distancing - putting football in line with Govt guidance. If that is the case, then it's fine to return. If not, it's not.
Nothing and no-one is more important than the rules. Indeed, that is why the thought of football or anything similar being undertaken at the time Cummings decided to flaunt the rules was a complete non starter.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
His breaking of the rules did not endanger people's lives. Im not actually sure kn a technicality whether he did break the rules. But he was not putting others livesat risk neither was i.

People are getting theit knickers in a twist over this and if they were being honest there going after him for more then just this issue. Which is why i will defend him.

The is a war on him and brexit by proxy, i dont expect people to have the balls to admit it. But in the last few days even people in this thread have been posting about him have mentioned brexit, long before i did. The people most aggressive against him have hated him for a long time, about 4 years. So yeah i will back him.
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Nice second dodge of the actual questions I put to you.
 
Legohamster said:
Track and trace is good news

But a couple of points


1. There is no need for the 14 day isolation at airports now

2. It’s delayed so much to the point people are going back to work, who will cover wages of those needing to isolation
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Both good points. Another flaw in the "quarantine" for overseas arrivals.
Plus if you are at a work location e.g an office, a shop, building site, develop symptoms and test positive, then any of your colleagues with whom you have been in close contact (2 metres or closer) for more than 15 minutes, will also need to self-isolate for 14 days.
You could see this causing problems for quite a few businesses.
(Not saying it's a bad thing to do, just that a business could have a number of their staff self-isolating, on and off, over a period of time, which might be difficult to manage.)
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Both good points. Another flaw in the "quarantine" for overseas arrivals.
Plus if you are at a work location e.g an office, a shop, building site, develop symptoms and test positive, then any of your colleagues with whom you have been in close contact (2 metres or closer) for more than 15 minutes, will also need to self-isolate for 14 days.
You could see this causing problems for quite a few businesses.
(Not saying it's a bad thing to do, just that a business could have a number of their staff self-isolating, on and off, over a period of time, which might be difficult to manage.)
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I just cant see how some people will follow it

Self employed have been hammered, first day back and they get an alert but no symptoms?

What do you do?
 
Legohamster said:
I just cant see how some people will follow it

Self employed have been hammered, first day back and they get an alert but no symptoms?

What do you do?
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Yes, I agree. Unless there's a way to protect income, it is going to be very difficult to persuade someone who will otherwise lose pay to stay at home on the offchance.
 
monkeybarry said:
I actually don't see how football can return at present without a risk of spread. That is my view - but if guidance has a different view I will respect that view.
There has clearly been a prolonged consultative process and as it stands no decisions to restart football has been agreed upon.
A mid June football return would, it seems, coincide with eased lockdown rules which will see reduced lockdown and less social distancing - putting football in line with Govt guidance. If that is the case, then it's fine to return. If not, it's not.
Nothing and no-one is more important than the rules. Indeed, that is why the thought of football or anything similar being undertaken at the time Cummings decided to flaunt the rules was a complete non starter.
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The relaxing of the rules are going to come with more strict guidelines though which include social distancing where possible, now football can’t do therefore you can argue it should get through a loophole but surely it’s a risk not worth taking especially when every level down has decided sensibly to end? You could argue like has been levelled this week, because of the nature of contact and virus bringing back a contact sport misses the current mood and tone.

For me it’s a high profile flirtation of what we know spreads a virus regardless of “rules”
 
Legohamster said:
It’s delayed so much to the point people are going back to work, who will cover wages of those needing to isolation
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I'd imagine that'd be an SSP situation (with the gov't temporarily covering SSP in this instance) - wasn't that what was announced back in the beginning? Only going from (hazy) memory so could be wrong.
 
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