parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Spot on.
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Jose Mourinho - SACKED
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Spot on.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Yep , But He serves up a next level turgid. It’s the way he chooses to play not the consequence of problems within the side.
He’s only as good as his last job. United were not a free flowing goal scoring side. As I said to Stephen H he chooses to play that way.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Thanks, I missed this at the time and I found reading it really exciting.
Jose acknowledging his weaknesses, looking to evolve, and making personel changes to achieve it. Even going to far as to meet and plan with them to organise ahead of an unknown job?
Say what you like about Jose (many have!), but he is a high quality manager. And if he has taken a year to reinvent himself, well for me thats a highly exciting prospect.
I was looking at the stats for him before, full seasons only
Porto 02-03 gf73(2) ga26(1) GD+47 = second most goals scored, least goals conceeded.
Porto 03-04 gf63(1) ga19(1) GD+44
Chelsea 04-05 gf72(2) ga15(1) GD+57
Chelsea 05-06 gf72(1) ga22(1) GD+50
Chelsea 06-07 gf64(2) ga24(1) GD+40
Inter 08-09 gf70(1) ga32(1) GD+38
Inter 09-10 gf75(1) ga34(1) GD+41
Madrid 10-11 gf102(1) ga33(2) GD+69
Madrid 11-12 gf121(1) ga32(2) GD+89
Madrid 12-13 gf103(2) ga42(3) GD+61
Chelsea 13-14 gf71(3) ga27(1) GD+44
Chelsea 14-15 gf73(2) ga32(1) GD+41
United 16-17 gf54(8) ga29(2) GD+25
United 17-18 gf68(5) ga28(2) GD+40
You can see, aside from Utd he was never less than top 3 goals scored, and was almost always 1st for GA.
Of particular note, for me, is the first two seasons at Madrid. Barcelona had a better defence, but Madrid scored more goals!
Craig_J
Eidur Gudjohnsen
9-0-1
Legohamster
Cecil Poynton
People just fall into the lazy sterotypes with him, dull football, doesnt use youth and needs billions to win.
The Jose narrative (similar to the Levy one) has always been a lazy one
- He doesn't play attacking football (see your numbers above), most days Jose's sides do score a lot, the narrative comes from big games where he will prioritize result over open football, he sets up to counter/negate the opponent
- The youth thing is flimflam as well (see his time at United)
- The flair thing is flimflam as well (see Hazard)
- The he has always had the best team as well, he has had good teams but very rarely the best team.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
He plays the way that favours the players he has at the time, a lot of rubbish is written about him being a dour manager and sends his team out to do the same. He is a winner and plays to the strengths of what players he has at his hands.
Bishop
Terry Venables
The only lazy generalisation is the dull football one. His first Chelsea side were entertaning as were Real Madrid and Inter. The thing with Jose is he does not accept losing, so if he has to sacrifice some flair to ensure the win he feels no way about doing so. That's where the idea his team's are defensive came from, those away games against his title rivals where a loss was not an acceptable result, Jose would gladly take a stifling draw as a decent result.
He is not a promoter of youth, that is not even arguable. He doesn't hate young players but he isn't someone that prides himself on developing younger players (and he hasn't needed too at the club's he was at).
He has also always spent considerable sums on both transfer fees and wages, again this is not arguable.
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Rorschach
Sonny Walters
All Spurs fans hate loosing, that goes without saying. But for me winning is not really a prequirement of my support. For some it is more important, but I enjoy the journey as much as the destination.
Mourinho is about winning at all costs and I think the cost will ultimately be too high. I predict his appointment will cause deep divisions with the club and support. In fact that fracture has already started. I don't like or respect Mourinho's character and as such I can't give him my unconditional support. To do so would be lying to myself. Of course I won't stop supporting Spurs, how could I, but I'll do it from a distance and with a lot less emotional attachment.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I thought this was interesting, seemingly unprompted and from a player many think Mourinho messed up/around:
All the same, Lindelof, speaking to the Swedish media while on international duty, admits he misses working with Mourinho and insists he soon expects him to land a top job again soon.
“He is, after all, one of the world’s best coaches and he is supposed to have a job at one of the biggest clubs. I miss him in football,” Lindelof told Aftonbladet.
“He’s a great coach and a great person, whom I owe a great deal.”
Lindelof continued: “It was he who gave me the chance here, who brought me into everything.
“I have all the respect in the world for him and appreciate everything he has said and done for me, from scolding to a hug.
“Even if I did not agree, at the time… he has very great charisma, you had great respect for him.
“He’s won everything. When he says something, you listen.”
Id suggest McTomminay would have lots of praise for him too.
I agree that he doesnt pride himself on promoting youth, its not like its a personal policy or point of pride, but I do think he will use youth.
And I also expect that to have been a big part in talks between he and Levy when taking the job, so am interested to see how it plays out.
My initial expectation is that youth wont exactly thrive under him, but who knows?
This one is a bit arguable, for me at least, in that - did HE spend considerable sums, or the club?
For example when he went into Chelsea - they were already on a spending spree and had been for a while. I think they were always going to spend silly money, regardless of manager.
Similarly Madrid, its basically their MO.
Is it Mourinho DEMANDING LOADS OF MONEY!!!! or is it him making the most of what is on offer as any manager would?
All I can say of Mourinho with relative confidence, is he seems to like to shake things up in his first year - a lot of ins and outs (which can of course be expensive), but thereafter its more about tweaking the squad, not spending massive amounts.
Its also worth pointing out when you look at the actual transfers, even though there is a headline grabbing big ticket buy - there are also a number of smaller, more speculative buys as well.
I completely understand the idea he likes to spend big, but I also have a feeling he can work with a budget far better than people believe.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Drama queen-esq.Give the guy a chance. How about getting behind the new head coach and seeing where he takes us before pre-judging him.
BTW apart from Winks, which current player did Poch bring through from the academy?
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
All this flimflam about Jose not bothered in the youth players is just not true. What fans fail to see is that the bigger/better clubs who are playing for the top prizes are not always in a situation where they can blood younger players on a regular basis. They need results to stay at the top and because of that usually buy players who have proved they can play at that level.
Its a lot easier to play youngsters when you are out of the top four/six but harder if/when you are already at the top fighting for the trophy.
Its a lot easier to play youngsters when you are out of the top four/six but harder if/when you are already at the top fighting for the trophy.
Not from what I’ve seen it’s always been pretty awful. It’s a very bland style of football. There in lies the trade off , Winning football or good to watch but not always winning. Just don’t think it was the correct appointment.
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
I'm allowed to pre-judge someone who has provided decades of evidence of being an utter clam.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
While Im not looking to draw poor comparisons against Poch, I think this graphic is worth looking at (SSN)
900+ games, huge experience, incredible win % over many teams and leagues, and a longer list of trophies than most clubs have in their history.
There is plenty to question about Jose personally, or stylistically, but regardless of that he is a manager who has a historic record - and now he is managing our club.
I said in the Poch thread, this is not an appointment we could have dreamed of 5 years ago - and it is testament to Poch that after his time here we get a manager of this calibre to replace him.
But seriously, like or loathe Mourinho, just take a minute to appreciate the mans record.
900+ games, huge experience, incredible win % over many teams and leagues, and a longer list of trophies than most clubs have in their history.
There is plenty to question about Jose personally, or stylistically, but regardless of that he is a manager who has a historic record - and now he is managing our club.
I said in the Poch thread, this is not an appointment we could have dreamed of 5 years ago - and it is testament to Poch that after his time here we get a manager of this calibre to replace him.
But seriously, like or loathe Mourinho, just take a minute to appreciate the mans record.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Well Stop! Hammer time( and i wanted Poch to stay at least to the end of the season) but i have seen teams that Jose has managed in the past and enjoyed watching them, i admit that in the bigger games he sets his team out to make sure he does not lose but i do not see that being wrong.
As i said i am gutted that Poch has gone but from all the managers that have been mentioned over the last few weels ( imo) Jose is the best one. We shall see i guess.
