O/T Capello Resigns / New England Manager Speculation Thread

[thfcsteff]

Lol.....exactly!!! It's just me is it? How dare I question the great leader!

such a shame that the one "man" in fleet street who has spoken up about this ludicrous move by Harry, is the same **** who tried singlehandedly to engineer the sale of Luka Modric in the final weeks of August via his own repeated fictional tales of Modric's imminent departure...Burt is a scummy writer.

 

[Sheffield Spur]

Shocking crash from grace? If we win tomorrow we'll be 3rd and on 68 points with 1 match left. Let's judge him over the whole season (and his previous 3) rather than on one bad patch of about 8 games.

Nicely timed comment after The Filth result! :lol: But of course you are right.....ultimately.

Without the crash, we could have cruised it, with a bit of the old Tottenham swagger coming back. And without the despair and nervous breakdowns inflicted on the fans.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Nicely timed comment after The Filth result! :lol: But of course you are right.....ultimately.

Without the crash, we could have cruised it, with a bit of the old Tottenham swagger coming back. And without the despair and nervous breakdowns inflicted on the fans.

Every team has poor form over the season. We had sustained amazing form and then an 8 game spell of poor form. This poor spell coincided with Arsenal's return to form and made it look worse, but if the results were spread out differently over the season and we were sitting here in 4th, with 3rd in our own hands against two sides that are very beatable, then no-one would be complaining. It's not fair to say, when we are on the cusp of third, that we yet still should have been doing even better and it's Harry's fault that we aren't, because that implies we would never have poor form, and would sustain amazing form, and that would probably make us comfortable title winners. It just isn't realistic.

I just wonder what Vedran Corluka must be thinking right now, and how he will feel if we get third. I hope that if we do it - because it is by no means guaranteed - that the lads give him some stick for the 'I can see them finishing 6th' comment.

 

[elltrev]

Nicely timed comment after The Filth result! :lol: But of course you are right.....ultimately.

Without the crash, we could have cruised it, with a bit of the old Tottenham swagger coming back. And without the despair and nervous breakdowns inflicted on the fans.

Of course, but then it was also Harry that guided us to the amazing run we had over the first 20-odd games. The crash was of course disappointing and depressing, but it's only fair and reasonable to judge him over the WHOLE season.

And the joy is always sweeter when it's been preceeded by despair

 

[DHSF]

Would it have made a difference if our bad run of eight games came at the start rather than the end of the season as it has done?

I think it would have. I think people would have commended Harry for turning it around.

Anyways thats in the past.

 

[T-C]

I didn't say he had been approached. Read it again. I don't know either way. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been contacted, possibly clandestinely or by a roundabout route, like via Spice Boy Jamie.

When I stated that "Its exactly what he has done", I was referring to the "arry was posturing for a move" sarcastic comment. If I was referring to the FA's action I would have used 'they'. Again, read it again.

...and if you read what I said, there's no reference to you saying he had been approach. However, you did include it as an example that shouldn't be taken as gospel.

The fact is, there's no reason not to believe it.

 

[mick cooper]

we are 3 points and 14 goals better off than last season, with 2 games to go
and we are 5 points and 3 goals behind the season before (CL qualifying season) - so we can better that season as well
and we are 14 points and 23 goals better off than the season HR took over

this is some shocking descent into hell.

all the anti crowd can come up with is that - in their opinion

HR talks to the press too much, and doesn't aggressively talk up the team or the club -
He has slagged off Spurs fans
He "hitched his skirt" for the England job
He let us lose a 10 point lead (?)
He is tactically worse than they all are at managing premier league teams
He has taken us as far as he can
He is commenting on the euros so he isn't looking for new players and will be slating Hodgson
He only buys old knackered players
He is a disreputable revenue cheat who takes bungs
He shafts all of the teams he manages

From a positive perspective - and in my opinion

The facts at the top make more sense to me and show growth and improvement as a trend, and I believe he is still the most successful manager Spurs have ever had. He was harrangued by Spurs fans moaning about the lack of success and he stood up foir himself saying that they were deluded. I cant see where he was wrong, and they were right.

I like Harry, he's pretty straight with the press, doesn't seem to indulge in the mind games crap you get from other managers, and tells it like it is Thats my opinion though, and I can see why some dont like it, even though I disagree with their opinion.

In his honesty he said he saw the pinnacle of management for an Englishman to be England manager. If thats hitching his skirt, then my arse is a candlestick. Made no difference anyhoo, as he wasn't chosen. I think the only people who let it affect them, apart from the anti phalanx, were the players, who went down a notch. Thats how important Harry is to this club, but that fact is lkargely ignored. In my opinion.

The anti phalanx all see him as tactically inept, but the results seem to indicate otherwise - a fact also ignored. Maybe Mourinho, Wenger, Fergie, Guardiola all log on as the usual suspects in the critical section?

The debate about players he buys. Hmm - kind of ignors the commonsense theory that he can only spend what the board allow him to have - and he can only entice players who want to come. I doubt Harry wants Saha and Nelsen, in all reality. But this - according to some is so that he can buy and sell players managed by accommodating agents - "who see him right."


He shafts the teams he manages.

This is from Wiki, so it might not be wholly accurate

Team	From	To	Record
			G	W	D	L	Win %
Bournemouth	10/19/83	06/09/92	457	180	107	170	39.39
West Ham United	08/10/94	05/09/01	327	121	85	121	37
Portsmouth	03/25/02	11/24/04	116	54	26	36	46.55
Southampton	12/08/04	12/02/05	49	13	21	15	26.53
Portsmouth	12/07/05	10/26/08	128	54	29	45	42.19
Tottenham Hotspur	10/26/08	Present	196	97	49	50	49.49
Total	1272	519	317	437	40.8

doing a bit of trend analysis, I'd say from looking at that -
that Harry has been more successful at winning than losing
More often than not teams are more successful under his tenure
He appears to be improving as a manager
His results at Spurs indicate that to be true also.

But lets not let the facts or results get in the way

Lets talk football.

Spurs are all about style, we have always said, that playing well and playing the right way is more important than winning. Well, we've had to really, haven't we?

I've only been watching the club since 67, but whilst I don't have a season ticket I get to as many games as I can (I'm not a total plastic who watches from thousands of miles away and wouldn't know the seven Sisters Road from the Champs Elysee, I have actually attended hundreds of games and seen the stadium change from a brick hole to a tidy little ground) - and I can say that the current Tottenham team is the most exciting to watch, the side that I have more confidence in than any other side I have witnessed and probably the hardest to beat. On top of all that, I think Danny would agree that we have kept to his maxim, and teams bring their bus onto the pitch, or get gutted by us.

and who manages this team of ours?

Quite possibly the most insulted manager I have ever had the dissapointment and disgust to have witnessed the abuse aimed at. I think he gets more brick than Graham, and his teams were awful to watch, by and large.

This is what Spurs fans have descended to.

and I think its a shame.

 

[milo]

Good post, Mick, you make some excellent observations

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Good post, Mick, you make some excellent observations

It was another good post by mick i will agree and it was true. Alhtough i think he missed harry being just about the worst manager we have had in the cups, to the point where i will not go to another cup match while he is in charge.

Redknapp is a good manager but i would still sack him in the summer and bring in someone who i would hope would be in charge for 5 + years and i do not think that is redknapp.

I find his indeceision on upgrading parts of our squad annoying and think it is holding us back i think how he conducts himself and gives out mix messages could be stopping our players from really ebliving in thmselves.

All that said the facts say he is doing a decent job, i just hope levy has the guts to go for someone who can do a great job.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

It was another good post by mick i will agree and it was true. Alhtough i think he missed harry being just about the worst manager we have had in the cups, to the point where i will not go to another cup match while he is in charge.

Redknapp is a good manager but i would still sack him in the summer and bring in someone who i would hope would be in charge for 5 + years and i do not think that is redknapp.

I find his indeceision on upgrading parts of our squad annoying and think it is holding us back i think how he conducts himself and gives out mix messages could be stopping our players from really ebliving in thmselves.

All that said the facts say he is doing a decent job, i just hope levy has the guts to go for someone who can do a great job.

Surely that would be a Manager who never progresses past the opening round? Under Redknapp we've reached two FA Cup semi finals, a League Cup final and the QF of the Champions League. Are you saying that is the worst you've seen under a Spurs Manager?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Surely that would be a Manager who never progresses past the opening round? Under Redknapp we've reached two FA Cup semi finals, a League Cup final and the QF of the Champions League. Are you saying that is the worst you've seen under a Spurs Manager?

I have never seen a manager get arse fudged by a team like we did against pompey and chelsea, i was there both days and i do not care what went before those games were awful and he was the manager who produced the worse display i have seen spurs give in a cup match, the fact that they were semi finals makes it even worse in my opinon.

I shall not mention the league cup final or the pathetic europa league displays. Though to be fair i loved the putting in the youth playerss and hope we do the same gain next season, but he also used a fair amount of our squad players in games in europa this season and we were shocking. He does not like the cups, i heard he even drinks his tea out of a champagne glass he hates cups that much.

 

[harr1984]

I have never seen a manager get arse fudged by a team like we did against pompey and chelsea, i was there both days and i do not care what went before those games were awful and he was the manager who produced the worse display i have seen spurs give in a cup match, the fact that they were semi finals makes it even worse in my opinon.

I shall not mention the league cup final or the pathetic europa league displays. Though to be fair i loved the putting in the youth playerss and hope we do the same gain next season, but he also used a fair amount of our squad players in games in europa this season and we were shocking. He does not like the cups, i heard he even drinks his tea out of a champagne glass he hates cups that much.

Lol he doesn't like the cups? I've never heard so much nonsense in all my life, he loved winning the FA Cup with Portsmouth.

His remit at Spurs is different though, he has to prioritise the league and still takes the FA Cup seriously. He changes up the team for Carling Cup and Europa League games but in order of priorities that was the right thing to do.

Didn't seem to mind the CL either....

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Lol he doesn't like the cups? I've never heard so much nonsense in all my life, he loved winning the FA Cup with Portsmouth.

His remit at Spurs is different though, he has to prioritise the league and still takes the FA Cup seriously. He changes up the team for Carling Cup and Europa League games but in order of priorities that was the right thing to do.

Didn't seem to mind the CL either....

Apart from one game against inter we were not very good in the champs league, i was away for the inter gaame and sadly did not see it. But some of the group games were poor, letting a 2 goal lead go against the germans was not good.

We were awful against a crap ac milan side and when we had the bigggest game in our history against real at the lane we came out tamely like we did not want to be there. Nope the fella does not like the cups, so much so that when he used to play cricket he did not even put one down his trousers.

Of course he loved winning the F.A. cup with pompey, he knew he could get a bigger contract with another club when he left after leaving them in a brick load of debt after his buying policy came back to haunt them, another area of his poor management.

He can stay as a coach i shall allow that which i think is very generous of me but he has to employ sports psychologist and diet technicians and levy has to keep on with the tight reign on the purse because if we allow it redknapp would be like a 17 year old girl in a clothes shop with her first wage packet with his spending in the transfer market.

 

[milo]

Of course he loved winning the F.A. cup with pompey, he knew he could get a bigger contract with another club when he left after leaving them in a brick load of debt after his buying policy came back to haunt them, another area of his poor management.

If a manager spends too much in the transfer market or leaves a club with an inflated wage bill then the person who should get the blame is the chairman for signing the cheques and not keeping a tighter rein on things.

 

[DHSF]

If a manager spends too much in the transfer market or leaves a club with an inflated wage bill then the person who should get the blame is the chairman for signing the cheques and not keeping a tighter rein on things.

The thing is Levy isnt only signing the cheques - he is also negotiating the cheques.

I dont remember who but someone on here tried to correct me saying that Harry was the CEO with Levy being the shareholder. Whereas I said that it was Levy being the CEO/Chairman and Harry is just a Manager running a team.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

If a manager spends too much in the transfer market or leaves a club with an inflated wage bill then the person who should get the blame is the chairman for signing the cheques and not keeping a tighter rein on things.

Nope it is like the old drug dealer and addict argument. Both should be blamed.

Harry is their to build a team if he spends to much on wages and players then that will impact on his transfer dealings down the line, a manager needs to have the for thought to think about such things, another reason for me to not rate redknapp anything above an average to good coach.

 

[harr1984]

Apart from one game against inter we were not very good in the champs league, i was away for the inter gaame and sadly did not see it. But some of the group games were poor, letting a 2 goal lead go against the germans was not good.

We were awful against a crap ac milan side and when we had the bigggest game in our history against real at the lane we came out tamely like we did not want to be there. Nope the fella does not like the cups, so much so that when he used to play cricket he did not even put one down his trousers.

Of course he loved winning the F.A. cup with pompey, he knew he could get a bigger contract with another club when he left after leaving them in a brick load of debt after his buying policy came back to haunt them, another area of his poor management.

He can stay as a coach i shall allow that which i think is very generous of me but he has to employ sports psychologist and diet technicians and levy has to keep on with the tight reign on the purse because if we allow it redknapp would be like a 17 year old girl in a clothes shop with her first wage packet with his spending in the transfer market.

That post is hilarious, but anyway you're right Levy does have to keep a tight reign on the purse strings. That is the chairman's job....

 

[Jurgen the German]

we are 3 points and 14 goals better off than last season, with 2 games to go
and we are 5 points and 3 goals behind the season before (CL qualifying season) - so we can better that season as well
and we are 14 points and 23 goals better off than the season HR took over

this is some shocking descent into hell.

all the anti crowd can come up with is that - in their opinion

HR talks to the press too much, and doesn't aggressively talk up the team or the club -
He has slagged off Spurs fans
He "hitched his skirt" for the England job
He let us lose a 10 point lead (?)
He is tactically worse than they all are at managing premier league teams
He has taken us as far as he can
He is commenting on the euros so he isn't looking for new players and will be slating Hodgson
He only buys old knackered players
He is a disreputable revenue cheat who takes bungs
He shafts all of the teams he manages

From a positive perspective - and in my opinion

The facts at the top make more sense to me and show growth and improvement as a trend, and I believe he is still the most successful manager Spurs have ever had. He was harrangued by Spurs fans moaning about the lack of success and he stood up foir himself saying that they were deluded. I cant see where he was wrong, and they were right.

I like Harry, he's pretty straight with the press, doesn't seem to indulge in the mind games crap you get from other managers, and tells it like it is Thats my opinion though, and I can see why some dont like it, even though I disagree with their opinion.

In his honesty he said he saw the pinnacle of management for an Englishman to be England manager. If thats hitching his skirt, then my arse is a candlestick. Made no difference anyhoo, as he wasn't chosen. I think the only people who let it affect them, apart from the anti phalanx, were the players, who went down a notch. Thats how important Harry is to this club, but that fact is lkargely ignored. In my opinion.

The anti phalanx all see him as tactically inept, but the results seem to indicate otherwise - a fact also ignored. Maybe Mourinho, Wenger, Fergie, Guardiola all log on as the usual suspects in the critical section?

The debate about players he buys. Hmm - kind of ignors the commonsense theory that he can only spend what the board allow him to have - and he can only entice players who want to come. I doubt Harry wants Saha and Nelsen, in all reality. But this - according to some is so that he can buy and sell players managed by accommodating agents - "who see him right."


He shafts the teams he manages.

This is from Wiki, so it might not be wholly accurate

Team	From	To	Record
			G	W	D	L	Win %
Bournemouth	10/19/83	06/09/92	457	180	107	170	39.39
West Ham United	08/10/94	05/09/01	327	121	85	121	37
Portsmouth	03/25/02	11/24/04	116	54	26	36	46.55
Southampton	12/08/04	12/02/05	49	13	21	15	26.53
Portsmouth	12/07/05	10/26/08	128	54	29	45	42.19
Tottenham Hotspur	10/26/08	Present	196	97	49	50	49.49
Total	1272	519	317	437	40.8

doing a bit of trend analysis, I'd say from looking at that -
that Harry has been more successful at winning than losing
More often than not teams are more successful under his tenure
He appears to be improving as a manager
His results at Spurs indicate that to be true also.

But lets not let the facts or results get in the way

Lets talk football.

Spurs are all about style, we have always said, that playing well and playing the right way is more important than winning. Well, we've had to really, haven't we?

I've only been watching the club since 67, but whilst I don't have a season ticket I get to as many games as I can (I'm not a total plastic who watches from thousands of miles away and wouldn't know the seven Sisters Road from the Champs Elysee, I have actually attended hundreds of games and seen the stadium change from a brick hole to a tidy little ground) - and I can say that the current Tottenham team is the most exciting to watch, the side that I have more confidence in than any other side I have witnessed and probably the hardest to beat. On top of all that, I think Danny would agree that we have kept to his maxim, and teams bring their bus onto the pitch, or get gutted by us.

and who manages this team of ours?

Quite possibly the most insulted manager I have ever had the dissapointment and disgust to have witnessed the abuse aimed at. I think he gets more brick than Graham, and his teams were awful to watch, by and large.

This is what Spurs fans have descended to.

and I think its a shame.

Great post Mick.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

The thing is Levy isnt only signing the cheques - he is also negotiating the cheques.

I dont remember who but someone on here tried to correct me saying that Harry was the CEO with Levy being the shareholder. Whereas I said that it was Levy being the CEO/Chairman and Harry is just a Manager running a team.

I agree with you my cuddly friend that levy is the main man and the buck stops with him. But in the proffesional set up that your talking about if i was the CEO and i had a manager come to me with a buying policy like redknapp has done at previous clubs i would think he was clueless.

Now redknapp is a average/good coach but levy must have to keep a very firm eye on him considering his previous transfer dealings and the sitautions he has left clubs in. If redknapp was a manager he would know this, we are talking about a multi million pound business. It is one of the reason why i do not belive he is the man for the next 5 years.

But as mick pointed out is all just opinon and he is doing a good job in the mean time, maybe other clubs with bigger budgets, liverpool, chelsea are not doing so good but redknapp is doing ok/good and as mick said he is keeping us playing attractive football which i appreciate just wish he did feel the need to humilate us in the cup games, talking of which im going to watch the final with my lad.

 

[Jurgen the German]

It was another good post by mick i will agree and it was true. Alhtough i think he missed harry being just about the worst manager we have had in the cups, to the point where i will not go to another cup match while he is in charge.

Redknapp is a good manager but i would still sack him in the summer and bring in someone who i would hope would be in charge for 5 + years and i do not think that is redknapp.

I find his indeceision on upgrading parts of our squad annoying and think it is holding us back i think how he conducts himself and gives out mix messages could be stopping our players from really ebliving in thmselves.

All that said the facts say he is doing a decent job, i just hope levy has the guts to go for someone who can do a great job.

Would you rather we go back to years and years of mediocrity in the league in exchange for the odd cup win every 9 or 10 years?

And we haven't been that bad in the cups.

Quarter final of the CL

Semi finalists twice in the FA cup

Final of the Carling Cup

We'd lost 4 times in the semi final of the FA cup in the last two decades even before Redknapp came to Spurs so it's not like it's anything new that we get knocked out in the semis. We seem to have some sort of mental block in the semi final of that competiton, but you can't blame that solely on Redknapp.