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To Dier is To Do (Doo)

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Jordinho, 31 Jul 2014.

  1. afsoc4life

    afsoc4life Ruel Fox

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    For a big fellow, he is also surprisingly physically weak during defensive set pieces. My mind wondered if Dier knows how to jump?

    I was checking PES stats. His defensive awareness now is worse than his first season at Spurs.

    On football manager 2021, his jumping is 13 out of 20.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    Glad their the benchmark now
     
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    90291Spur Paul Robinson

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    What are his stats like on fifa 21?
     
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    LincsSpur Andy Gray

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    About the same jumping ability as Sissoko’s
     
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    afsoc4life Ruel Fox

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    They have people who watch and compare players. They can be useful.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    But still it’s a computer game
    And the people watching aren’t experts
    They recruit a variety of people to give them opinions but if i don’t believe many if any are experts
     
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    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    I think some decided before the season started that Dier was a bacon sandwich based on a small handful of games from last season and don’t dare criticise him when he makes a mistake. Don’t get me wrong, he’s done better at CB This season then I expected him to and of our all CB’s he’s the one with the most upside, if Toby was younger then clearly he would still be a bacon sandwich. That said I think ALL of our CB’s are upgradable, Dier included. He’s the one we should look to upgrade last but is going to be good enough for us to challenge for titles and hopefully the CL again one day? That remains to be seen. From what I’ve seen so far I’d say no personally. He can be brilliant for 85 mins but then make a mistake which is what separates the good CB’s from the elite ones.
     
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    harr1984 Nick Barmby

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    I can safely say I have never thought Dier was a bacon sandwich based on any games:D....
     
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    afsoc4life Ruel Fox

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    I think you are not giving them especially the Football Manager statistics contributors enough respect. It may be a simulation game but the data gathered by them is not only used by gamers but also by non-gamers.

    Looking at the pattern across both games, Dier's positives and negatives in my opinion are well stated.
     
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    afsoc4life Ruel Fox

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    Funny enough I don't know much about FIFA 21 and how they gather data. His starting season ratings are below. His jumping is 71 out of 99. Balance is 40 put of 99 and strength is 90 out of 99.

    Interestingly it looks like his jumping is not well regarded. Perhaps all platforms use height plus the jumping stats to judge if the player will win the ball in the air. But then on FIFA 21 Virgil van Dijk has 90 jumping with comparative height so that theory may be wrong.
     
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    Yiddo Steve Carr

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    I don’t get it, if the ball is landing directly on his head he is one of the best headers of the ball in the prem but if he has to move slightly or jump for it he is one of the worst.
     
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    metalgear Jimmy McCormick

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    I'd disagree... The cross wasnt fast and Dier had time to realise that it wasn't a threat at the near Post. So either he took too long to decide or wS just too immobile to respond. I'm guessing its both but more of the latter.

    The best CBs have that forceful acceleration in the first one or two steps to propel them to win crosses and blocks. Dier doesn't have that and will never be a great CB imo.

    Force = mass x acceleration, so without the acceleration we can understand why Dier do not look like confidently winning physically challenging headers
    Sent from my SM-T865 using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
  13. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Jack Jull

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    27 years old and should be in the prime of his career but still error prone (gifted Dippers their winner at Clanfield and now partly culpable for 2 more goals today) and not even homegrown; hopefully can be upgraded this summer.
     
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    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    Little chance of that whilst Jose is here. He loves Dier.
     
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    metalgear Jimmy McCormick

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    Jurgen the German Barry Daines

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    Backup CB or backup DM
     
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    SteveAWOL Jack Jull

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    Why does this plonker keep getting picked ahead of Rodon when it’s clear he’s now too old to ever learn to stop being error prone?!



     
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    Jordinho Bill Brown Staff Member

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    Dier is doo.
     
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    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    The bench.
     
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    AdamB Colin Calderwood

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    I've defended him a lot in the past, but he's been appalling recently
     
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