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The Art of VAR

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Gutter Boy, 28 Feb 2018.

  1. parklane1

    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    Do not disagree with that, but i suspect that would lead to a shortage of Refs.
     
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  2. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Jimmy Neighbour

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    I do think the VAR replays should be in real time, not slow-motion. If you can't spot something in real time from multiple camera angles, it's obviously too close to call.
     
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  3. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    How far down the leagues do professional referees go? Even if it's all 4 league leagues, that's only 40-50 refs you need in the country.

    Refereeing in rugby and cricket is so much better, as they are all ex-players
     
  4. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Why replay it at all? Just get the TV official to advise the referee in real time, like an extra linesman with a different view

    The whole point was supposed to be about clear and obvious errors, e.g. when the referee's view of play had been obscured.
     
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  5. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Simon Davies

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    That's just ridiculous. Good of them however to allow players to "have their arms by their side".
    But even if that is the new rule, it shouldn't have applied last night because according to that article it comes in to effect on 1 June.
    And to that - why on earth would it deemed a good idea for the first match when the new rule is introduced to be the CL Final?
     
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  6. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Ruel Fox

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    thats a conspiracy theory- its people thinking no mistakes /errors means a better game regardless of the side effects - perfect is not always better - football is art not science.
     
  7. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Ruel Fox

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    that interpretation of the rule has always been the case in some countries, in Spain any ball to hand is handball - i font know with Holland.
     
  8. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Give it a year to establish a sample size and then look at that data. Almost every key VAR decision so far has gone to the 'bigger' club.
     
  9. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Ruel Fox

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    i always said this but its not the 'goal' its a byproduct.
     
  10. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Vedran Corluka

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    The most telling thing for me was that Wallyton was sitting with the rule book in his lap while trying to justify his position, which says to me how is this system going to work quickly and effectively if the "experts" have to consult the rule book every time a decision is made, surely his pronouncement that a deliberated elbow to the head followed by pushing an opponents face into the ground "is all in the rough and tumble of the game" means he believes you can do what you like.
     
  11. parklane1

    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    He is saying what he is told to say by the idiots who are bringing this farce into the game.
     
  12. Bullet

    Bullet Christian Ziege

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    I note that Barca scored vs Man Utd and the linesman said it was offside.
    They reviewed it with VAR and concluded it was not offside. This is what VAR is for; getting decisions at Old Trafford.
     
  13. spurrrr

    spurrrr John Piercy

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    Yes, it would, and so it should. To set a precedent like that, requiring experience within one distant part of the field to work within the other, will naturally lead to a shortage.

    Hire specific personnel for that job, with reasonable pay, and they will perform adequately. "yér pays yer money and takes yér choice" and get your expected result; loosely translated.

    Oh, and just fcking apply the same rules for everyone playing at the same time as long as pool are handballing and cheating all over the place, plz.
     
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    bjholmem Bobby Zamora

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    I am very much in favour of using video technology to assist referees. I have turned against VAR in its current form. Back to the drawing board. We are now back to what happened when they introduced the additional goal line refs, the more refs you have on and around the pitch, the more mistakes they make, it seems.

    I propose a challenge system, where the managers or captains can challenge decisions for video review. Then the Rose handball from last night wouldn't be an issue as neither players, referees or the benches thought this was a foul. How could the non award of the penalty be a "clear and obvious error", then?
     
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  15. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Simon Davies

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    Because according to Peter Walton, handball is treated differently and it’s down to the interpretation applied to the law (ie the action either meets the criteria for handball or it doesn’t) - regardless of whether ref made an error, clear and obvious or otherwise.
    Sounded to me like he was making it up as he went along on a number of issues. It was the first time I’ve seen the studio ref getting that level of questioning from the panel.
     
  16. scaramanga

    scaramanga Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Everything is science. Art and magic are what you see when you can't see the science.
     
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  17. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Michael Carrick

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    On the CL QFs alone the big decisions by VAR have already gone 4-0 to the bigger clubs.

    Emirates Marketing Project 1-0 Tottenham (Danny Rose 'handball')
    Liverpool 2-0 Porto (two similar handball-in-the-box decisions that went the opposite way to the Danny Rose one)
    Man U 0-1 Barca (offside decision that (correctly this time) allowed the goal to stand)

    On top of that you could add Fernandinho's elbow to Kane's head that should have gone to VAR and resulted in him being sent off.

    So actually 5-0 to the 'bigger' clubs whereas it probably should have been 1-4 because strictly speaking only the offside one favouring Barca was correct.
     
  18. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Ruel Fox

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    Etherything is art and magic. Science is what you see when you can't see the art and magic.


    :)
     
  19. Bullet

    Bullet Christian Ziege

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    Yes, featherything
     
  20. Robbo

    Robbo Steve Carr

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    And here's the problem. We're still discussing blatantly inconsistent refereeing even after VAR has been applied.
    When multiple, slow motion replays can't provide consistency in these two, similar incidents, then what's the point of VAR?

    They should simplify it, IMO. If the dressing room refs can't decide either way from say three replays or in 15 seconds, the on field referee's decision stands. No one wants a time consuming system in place to debate the 50/50s for minutes while the game is stopped and players stand around scratching their heads about what's happening.

    Football fans simply want someone to spot the clear and obvious errors; the two yard offside goal, the cheeky elbow to the face, the ball that clearly was off the field, the clear cut foul that wasn't given. It doesn't have to be so fudging complicated.
     

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