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New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)

Who Do You Want Then?

  • Poch

    Votes: 58 43.3%
  • Gallardo

    Votes: 7 5.2%
  • De Zerbi

    Votes: 2 1.5%
  • Enrique

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Carrick

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Kompany

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 23 17.2%
  • Tuchel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 24 17.9%
  • Slot

    Votes: 17 12.7%

  • Total voters
    134
Unfortunately Arteta hasn't reached a Champions League final. I don't think an FA cup win, as good as it is, tops reaching the final of premier club tournament. But he didn't win I hear you say. If you look at the records of the great managers all of them have lost at least one CL final. You have to be there though to have a chance to win it obviously.
Ok
How about he lost the title in his first season in France? A true one horse league
Admittedly he took over part of the way through the season but still
Any spurs fan who doesn’t love Poch isn’t human
Anyone who doesn’t recognise what he achieved here with the unity he created is nuts
However other managers won trophies elsewhere at the time and since with inferior teams and squads
Poch didn’t get us over the line win what would have sealed his legacy
 
That doesn't change what Ange took over from. Celtic were awful.
He's done a good job but winning the Scottish league with Celtic is not a big achievement. They're the only club in Scotland that is well run, has a large fan base and are in good financial shape. They should be winning the league every season until Rangers get their house in order.
 
I have watched it back since. In the ground (the home showing) at the time I was convinced we were going to equalise and win it in ET right up until the 2nd goal, and watching the highlights again some months back, I still cant believe we didnt, we had some decent opportunites.

Had that final been against Barcelona I would not have minded as much, the fact it was against them f#ckers made it 10 times worse and the sh#t I took at work for the weeks after that was horrible
Thought we were the better side the entire game, and had the better chances. Didn't deserve to lose. We should at least made it to extra time.
 
He's done a good job but winning the Scottish league with Celtic is not a big achievement. They're the only club in Scotland that is well run, has a large fan base and are in good financial shape. They should be winning the league every season until Rangers get their house in order.
I raised the original point not out of admiration for what he’s won with Celtic, I was referring to his demeanour. He seems an inspiring character going by what his players say about him.
 
He's done a good job but winning the Scottish league with Celtic is not a big achievement. They're the only club in Scotland that is well run, has a large fan base and are in good financial shape. They should be winning the league every season until Rangers get their house in order.

How do you feel about Slot? I think they're fairly similar leagues, Feyenoord and AZ are not in as strong a position as Celtic but I think Ange is still comparable to Slot and both deserve to be considered.

I place far more value on Ange's work in the J.League and with Australia than Celtic anyway.
 
How do you feel about Slot? I think they're fairly similar leagues, Feyenoord and AZ are not in as strong a position as Celtic but I think Ange is still comparable to Slot and both deserve to be considered.

I place far more value on Ange's work in the J.League and with Australia than Celtic anyway.

Slots work is more successful than angies in my opinion ...
 
Winning any trophy, getting over the line is the hardest thing. Of course it's great we got to that final, but actually winning a trophy trumps getting to a final and just because the CL is more prestigious doesn't change that. They beat Emirates Marketing Project in the semi final and Chelsea in the final of the cup, if we did that under Poch you would never hear the end of it. Instead we just have to listen to how we almost did this and almost did that. Arsenal are running the best PL team probably ever closer to the title than any of Pochs teams did against weaker teams at the top. Poch was great for us, but @Bedfordspurs is right - Arteta has done more.....
We have discussed this so many times. Context is important when making comparisons otherwise you are comparing apples and pears. What is achieved depends what your target is at the beginning of the season. If it is finishing top 4 then to do that and win a trophy is almost impossible with our level of spend. No other club outside of the big 5 have done it. So to finish in the top 4 and reach the Champions League final in the same season.is an amazing achievement that only Spurs fans turn their noses up at. Arteta finished 8th the season they won the FA cup I think.

Arteta will finish top 4 this season for the first time after what 4 seasons?. I would also add as good as Arsenal have been 1) they have choked a 9 point lead so in effect lost 13 points to a team who are playing for a treble while they are only playing 1 game a week.
2) have played City 3 times this season and been well beaten in all 3 games.

Edit if they win the PL then that is an amazing achievement.
 
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Slots work is more successful than angies in my opinion ...

You can argue Slot's work is more impressive but he's not as successful -- that's a fact, Ange has won the league in 3 countries and an international trophy. Whether anyone places value on those leagues is up to them. But you can only win the leagues you've managed in, and he's done it for just about every team he's managed.
 
How do you feel about Slot? I think they're fairly similar leagues, Feyenoord and AZ are not in as strong a position as Celtic but I think Ange is still comparable to Slot and both deserve to be considered.

I place far more value on Ange's work in the J.League and with Australia than Celtic anyway.
What Slot has done is far more impressive than what Ange has done in Scotland. It looks like they will win the league this season and have performed well in Europe.

I don't know anything about Ange before Celtic so what he done there could be equally impressive.
 
Poch to Chelsea still not announced. Any chance that he is still waiting for Levy to change his mind?

Only way we go back for poch is if everyone else turns us down and we are heading for a nuno situation again.
Poch is either waiting on the real job or suspects/hopes jn turns us down.
 
Only way we go back for poch is if everyone else turns us down and we are heading for a nuno situation again.
Poch is either waiting on the real job or suspects/hopes jn turns us down.

The club is not interested, only a certain segment of our fanbase
 
A really good read on Ange: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65509996

His success with Celtic is the least impressive thing about him.

It could be argued that the most arresting picture of Ange Postecoglou is not anything taken at the side of a football field with Celtic, not a shot of him celebrating his first or his second Scottish Premiership title, or his first or his second Scottish League Cup title.

Nothing, really, from his successful days at Yokohama Marinos or Brisbane Roar or the Socceroos or South Melbourne Hellas can hold a candle to the photograph taken of him as a five-year-old holding a card with the number 24 on it.

That was his immigration number when his parents took him out of the military junta regime of Athens, Greece to a safer but uncertain haven of Melbourne in Australia. That's where it all started. That's why the photograph has a poignancy.

The little boy is looking down the camera lens with the same kind of stare that many years later, as Australia coach, would regularly burn a hole in the back of the head of his players in training, said former Socceroo Tim Cahill.

His friend, Paul Trimboli, said Postecoglou doesn't say a lot, he doesn't make things comfortable for people, and for a lot of folk "that can be unnerving".

Even at five, you can see some of that in the picture. A steely look. Since Celtic fans came across it, they've knocked a lot of fun out of what the 24 signifies.

"The wee man is telling us how many in a row he's going to win."

"He's saying how many Rangers managers he's going to see off."

This was Angelos Postecoglou. Five years later his parents legally changed his name to Angelos Postekos, but he never cared for Postekos.

"It was a fad in those days to shorten your name if you were Greek," he said years ago. "I never liked it and I never used it. I was proud of my background, but when it came to my first passport and my first driver's licence, there was nothing I could do about it."

On Sunday, Postecoglou won his second straight Premiership title with Celtic and a fourth domestic trophy from a possible five since his move to Scotland from Japan in the summer of 2021.

Barring the football miracle to end all football miracles, he will win a fifth from six when Celtic play Inverness Caledonian Thistle in the Scottish Cup final next month.

A Celtic manager winning lots of titles is nothing new, but there is something different about this.

Postecoglou didn't inherit a champion team in need of minor tweaks as, say, Brendan Rodgers had done before him. The season before Postecoglou took over, the club lost their bid for 10 league titles in a row by a whopping 25 points and the mood music at Celtic was dismal.

Rangers had knocked them out of the Scottish Cup, Ross County had eliminated them from the League Cup, there were furious protests and banners calling for heads to roll. The atmosphere was toxic. Legions of fans spoke of their disillusionment. They felt they were being taken for granted and ignored.

Manager Neil Lennon was sacked. Peter Lawwell, the long-standing chief executive, signalled his intention to resign. He was replaced by Dominic McKay, who lasted two months and then left for reasons unexplained.

For the longest time, the club wooed Eddie Howe. They waited and waited for him to agree to become their next manager but months down the track, he said no. Cue more supporter thunder.

More than 100 days had passed and still Celtic had no manager. The fans were in thermonuclear mode. A total overhaul of a tired squad was required - and quickly. Celtic needed a brand new team.

Enter Postecoglou with his calm focus and his unerring eye for a player. And very quickly, things started to make sense.

Over the last year or so, nine Premier League clubs have been 'linked' with an interest in Postecoglou. How much of that was genuine and how much was smoke is unclear, but the Australian is being talked about.

More and more people are looking at what he's done - the excellent signings, the attacking style, the relentless nature of his team and his coolness in the maelstrom of Glasgow football - but the really interesting stuff, the soul of the guy, can be found in his back story.

He could win any number of trebles with Celtic but nothing will match the tale of how he got to the club in the first place.

"I just can't believe what my parents went through," he once said. "What they would have gone through to take a young family halfway round the world, on a ship that takes us 30 days, to a country where they don't speak the language, they don't know a soul, they don't have a house, they don't have jobs.

"People say they go to another country for a better life. My parents did not have a better life, they went to Australia to provide opportunities for me to have a better life."

His sister, Liz, is five years older and recalls the early months in Melbourne. "They arrived here with just suitcases, having to care for two little children," she recalled in the documentary Age of Ange. "It was difficult for her [Voula, her mother]. I remember many nights hearing her crying."

Postecoglou's father - Dimitris, known as Jim - was a hard worker. Up early, home late, no nonsense. Football was his escape and his salvation.

On Sundays, he brought his son to South Melbourne Hellas, a club set up for Greek immigrants. There was church in the morning and football in the afternoon. That was the rhythm of life.

"As a kid, I just wanted to fit in, I didn't necessarily like the fact I came from another country and had a really long surname that nobody could get their mouth around. For a young boy the best way to fit in was sport," Postecoglou recalled.

Football wasn't just a game to play, it was his one opportunity to bond with his father, his hero, as he's described him.

In that documentary he's seen thumbing through his old comics and books. "It's why I keep them. It reminds me what my childhood was like. There was a lot of living in a fantasy football world that didn't exist here in Australia."

There's footage from his football days where he's called Angelos, Angie and then Ange.

He retired at 27 through injury. He won the Australian national championship (the great Ferenc Puskas was his manager) but always knew in his bones that coaching was where his future lay.

There was a dread, though. And it goes back to his father again. What if he didn't make it as a coach? What if he failed? That was his conduit to his father. "What would that mean to dad and I? How would we fill the void?"

He needn't have stressed. He won two national championships as manager of South Melbourne when everybody said he couldn't.

Jim rarely said it to his face - an old-school man reluctant to show much emotion - but he told his mates how proud his boy made him. Word got back. It was enough.

He coached at national under-age level but it was almost the end of him. He got sacked, had to go to the Greek third tier to find work, and then came back to Australia, to nothing. Those were scary times.

With his wife, Georgia, he moved in with his mother-in-law for six to eight months to get by. You look at him celebrating now with his wife and sons and you know that he went through the mill to get to where he is today.

Brisbane Roar took him on in 2009 and he created what some seasoned observers say is the best club side in the history of the Australian game. Fast and furious, never-stop football. That philosophy didn't start in Glasgow in 2021.

He won the league in 2011 and 2012, went to Melbourne Victory and then to the Socceroos, saw his team compete at the World Cup in 2014, won the Asian Cup in 2015, rebuilt the side and got them to another World Cup in 2018.

Japan beckoned. Not only did he win the J-League with Yokohama Marinos, he also soaked up all the knowledge in the world about a market that would prove spectacularly helpful in his next job - Celtic.

He has passed away now, but Jim Postecoglou is and will always be the key to his son.

"The root and foundation of who I am is no longer by my side," the Celtic boss wrote in the Athletes Voice. "Where is the purpose now? His voice is in my head. The flame he lit is still there. I need to keep honouring his sacrifices."

As interesting as it is to hear his thoughts every week about players and games, Postecoglou is never more compelling than when talking about the things that shaped him.

"I understand what an honest day's work is about," he said, not long after he became Celtic manager.

"I understand what sacrifice is about, I understand what being in a privileged position like I am now is about.

"I am not going to take this for granted because I know how hard my mum and dad worked. They sacrificed their whole life for me to be here.

"I don't feel like I am working every day, I feel like I am living a dream that was founded by other people's sacrifice, particularly my parents."

That is deep and it is powerful and Postecoglou's work has taken him to a double last season, probably a treble this season and who knows what else in whatever time he has left in Glasgow. His story continues.
 
Only way we go back for poch is if everyone else turns us down and we are heading for a nuno situation again.
Poch is either waiting on the real job or suspects/hopes jn turns us down.

Doesn't it depend on the DoF? If we are doing this properly. They get appointed and then choose the coach. So in theory no one should be out or in the shortlist yet
 
Doesn't it depend on the DoF? If we are doing this properly. They get appointed and then choose the coach. So in theory no one should be out or in the shortlist yet

If it's on DOF why are talking to managers when we have no DOF.
This for me highlights the biggest problem within the football side of the club, our plan is at best vague.
 
If it's on DOF why are talking to managers when we have no DOF.
This for me highlights the biggest problem within the football side of the club, our plan is at best vague.

Timing?

Lets say we know exactly what DoF we want? but it's going to take us three months to get them?

Do you suggest we don't talk to manager until then? and that's assuming they are up to speed with club requirements on day 1?
 
Timing?

Lets say we know exactly what DoF we want? but it's going to take us three months to get them?

Do you suggest we don't talk to manager until then? and that's assuming they are up to speed with club requirements on day 1?


Possible.
Leads to the question of is jn not signing because he doesn't fancy the DOF?
 
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