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Davinson Sanchez

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by DubaiSpur, 18 Aug 2017.

  1. IulianSteaua

    IulianSteaua Wilson Palacios

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    I had hoped we could offload him last summer with the Kounde swap or just be sold to them if Kounde left somewhere else. Agreed 100% with you, he is awful on the ball, you just dont know where it goes after he hits it, if he manages to hit it. Plays one or two decent games, people forget, then they act shocked when the brain farts come back.
     
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    parklane1 Terry Dyson

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    Romero, Dier, Davies is the best we have at this time and should play as often as possiable together.
     
  3. greatwhitenorf

    greatwhitenorf Mitchell Thomas

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    Rewatching parts of the game on DAZN. Sanchez rarely looks around to see if there's anyone moving in from the wing behind him when the ball is out wide on his left. Spends far too much time ball watching. When moved in to mark a forward, he ends up taking the same man as Romero, leaving Emerson in trouble to cover a wide man moving in and a midfielder moving into space behind Sanchez.

    Mind you, all of them were left in trouble by the DMs granting James W-P time and space to stroke beautiful crosses. I'd have him man marked and systematically fouled.
     
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    90291Spur Christian Ziege

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    It's absolutely bonkers that every Spurs player in the match day squad was not told to aggressively press JWP ALL GAME long. He id a number on us at their place and yesterday too.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    you have to press in numbers
    It was so bad seeing winks press and then see no one else back him up
     
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    DubaiSpur Paul Walsh

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    Yep. There was a moment first half when Kane hared after the ball when it was sent back to Forster, waving his arms for Son and Lucas to follow. He got to Forster, who slipped a pass out wide, and then turned to see Son jogging slowly up from halfway and Lucas hanging around near the center-circle.

    It was one of those moments that was a harbinger of the struggle to come, seeing our star players lacking motivation to press. No surprise that we were unable to lay a finger on Soton all night.
     
  7. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    I did hear this morning that they changed their whole line up form Saturday which I didn’t know
    Would explain a difference in energy and effort
    At the game I counted at least 4 times in the first half where winks pressed to the man with the ball (normally their right sided CB) and no one went with him and he berated his team mates who just appeared to not get it. As soon as Bentacur came on we started to press more
     
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    DubaiSpur Paul Walsh

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    Having said that, I think a big part of the reason players don't press is a lack of trust in their team-mates.

    Imagine being Romero or even the mediocre Ben Davies - would you push up to press knowing the men trusted to shuffle across to cover for you are Davinson Sanchez and Emerson Royal?

    No, you think - better to stay in position and prevent openings. And then Hojbjerg chases off like a madman once or twice, turns around, sees no one else doing it and decides, I won't either. And that goes on, and on, and on.

    I think the team simply cannot press while we have bomb scares like Sanchez, crap like Royal and just utterly invisible pieces of paper like Harry Winks floating around in it.

    You need trust - trust in your teammates to be there, to be good at their jobs. We won't get it with Winks, Sanchez, Royal, Davies et al.
     
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    DubaiSpur Paul Walsh

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    They did, they made 10 changes (iirc). We made absolutely none.

    To an extent I don't blame Conte for it, because what matters to him right now is trying to push this omnishambles of a unit to the finishing line to get CL if possible (which is looking unlikely now). Because otherwise that feckless Levy will play the old poverty note and we'll have another window like this January where we sleep until the final day and then rush around trying to grab any old crap that's left. With CL, we have hope of maybe one good player in amongst the dross.

    So, he chooses a more cohesive team over an energetic one. In contrast to Poch in 2014-2015, who drummed out the old guard for a bunch of youngsters who couldn't play together with as much cohesiveness/understanding, but made up for it with energy and a high press. In the end the mistakes made and the sub-par results prevented us from getting CL in 14-15, but the foundations laid served us well for the subsequent four seasons.

    Conte's approach will only be vindicated with CL this season. Otherwise, there is no benefit to playing Winks, Sanchez, Davies et al. None.
     
  10. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    What’s the alternative to playing them
     
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    DubaiSpur Paul Walsh

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    Play young kids who will put a shift in, track back, press and fight. That's what Poch did, benching wastes like Adebayor, Paulinho, Capoue, Chiriches et al and barely playing the cheap bargain bin wasters Levy fobbed on him like Stambouli and Fazio.

    Or at least, play a formation that allows you to bench as many of them as possible to make it clear they are not of the level to play for Spurs.

    Winks has been here 6 years now, lingering like a bad smell through every single manager we've had. He continues to get games. Davies was our backup LB for the vast majority of his time at Spurs - now our first-choice LCB, despite being painfully mediocre.

    Sanchez is a brainless bombscare, keeps getting games.

    What that tells the whole team, and the academy kids, is that mediocrity is rewarded - you just have to be stubborn and stick around at Spurs, and eventually you will be played because you're a warm body in the role.

    That is the only value Sanchez, Dier, Winks and Davies have - mediocre to awful warm bodies who will go through the motions of being good footballers without actually being good.

    Again, it baffles me that we went from having these blokes as outcasts or bench warmers at best to key first-teamers. I don't blame Kane for whatever he thinks when he looks around in the dressing room and sees that fall in standards from the days of Toby, Jan, Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen and so on.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    We don’t have any young CBS coming through

    and why didn’t people complain after Saturday nights game?

    I will agree that Sanchez won’t start when Dier is back (awaits the Dier is crap comment) and of like to see Skipp with Bentacur in midfield
     
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    Bullet Steffen Freund

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    Sanchez is extremely scared of receiving the ball. As it comes to him he panics, tries to remember to put his legs one in front of the other and just slashes at the nasty hot potato to get rid of it. Awful on the ball. Occasionally he defends well, but on the ball he is not good enough and needs to be replaced.
     
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    DubaiSpur Paul Walsh

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    True, but that's what the 'change formation' was for. Or even play players out of position - Poch gave Dier his debut at right-back, and that was where he spent most of that season, iirc.

    Because these wastes weren't pressed in that game, and so looked better than they were. We have this recency bias at Spurs where one good game or half a good season means the likes of Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Winks et al aren't sh*te- they are, they just have patches where they look about passable.

    Nothing will change at Spurs - nothing - until we set our standards far, far higher than that lot.All of them needed to be cleared out in 2019 - they are here three years past their sell-by date, and it shows.

    Dier is crap. Not much more to say - he might be marginally less crap than Sanchez, but his propensity for one error per game will return in time.

    I would like to see that midfield too - at the very least, I'd like to see a midfield trio of Bentancur-Skipp-Hojbjerg, with Skipp in the middle covering and the other two going forward to press high.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    Hojdjberg cannot be in a team that’s trying to pass. He can be in a team pressing but once a week as he has frequently failed every other game
    We go 3-5-2 we lose captain chaos on the right … he does like Lucas
    But I wouldn’t be adverse to it I have to say
    Would need to play Doherty on the right for his runs
    And when people talk an error a game we maybe need to look at the error that our new hero Romero makes every game. It then gives a more balanced view
     
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    90291Spur Christian Ziege

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    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    He did
    Big Dier did play there a few games first half of that season for sure
     
  18. IulianSteaua

    IulianSteaua Wilson Palacios

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    Yeah those Doherty runs. Entire Premier League is afraid of those Doherty runs, nobody cares about Kane and Son anymore. Look at all the assists and goals, rock solid guy.
    That poor Romero has been named Serie A Best Defender of the Year last season, a championship loaded with high quality defenders. But of course Matt "can't stop the ball if my life depended on it OR my only assist this season was with my ass" Doherty is top notch.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    Weirdly though he was doing all those runs before he came here
    Even did them against us several times and scored
    And yeah Romero… great player but still makes mistakes. Remember him falling over vs Brighton putting Maupay in or taking out Walker Peters because of his miss control last night and them hitting the woodwork off the free kick?
     
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    IulianSteaua Wilson Palacios

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    Romero's control is top notch. Saw him stop the ball last night and it was glued to his chest. The pass after was central midfielder quality. He just oozes quality, no wonder Conte asked to exercise the 50 mil option. As for Doherty, we couldn't sell him if we put a 3mil price target. Most likely we will have to offer him money to leave, just like Aurier.
     

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