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Daniel Levy - Chairman

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Howard Webb, 8 Feb 2012.

  1. billyiddo

    billyiddo George Hunt Staff Member

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    That "5th biggest revenue to the same ball park now" line completely ignores the interveening years where a vast casm grew financially because of Sky/Top 4/CL money. Closing that gap is no mean feat, let alone over turning it, whislt building a benchmark stadium.
    Look at the other traditional big clubs of England (Leeds, Newcastle, Everton, Villa) who were all at one point in a position to threaten that established order and you'll see why our owners are well supported. Not only did they not put us to the wall or relegate us they actually succeeded in smashing through that glass ceiling - the big 4 is now a big 6 and it's a big 6 because 2 clubs have muscled their way in, one is ourselves and one is oil state funded Emirates Marketing Project....
     
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  2. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Les Ferdinand

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    I have. A while ago, I repeatedly made comparisons with a range of chairmen across European football - Jean-Michel Aulas (OL), Andrea Agnelli (Juve), Hans-Joachim Watzke (Dortmund), Enrique Cerezo (Atletico), José Castro Carmona (Sevilla) and so on.

    In four of those cases (OL, Juve, Atletico and Dortmund), those chairmen actually took over when their clubs were far lower than where Spurs were when Levy took over. OL were provincial nobodies who had never won anything. Juve had just been relegated, and had finished in the bottom half upon their return to Serie A. Dortmund almost went bankrupt, and were only saved by loans from their former rivals and some astute quick thinking by Watzke. Atletico had been relegated to the Segunda Division, and were teetering on the brink of insolvency.

    Many of those chairmen have had tenures comparable to Levy. All of them- *all of them* have won more than we have in the same time-frame, at comparably sized clubs. Four of those five have won their domestic leagues, three of them have won European titles. Three of them have also transformed their clubs into financially secure clubs with new stadiums, while winning.

    Those chairmen won trophies. Their focus was not on the prettiest balance sheet, nor on screwing their staff to save pennies on wages in a time of crisis and earn your 3m bonus. That was Levy.

    Levy's a competent handler of the club. Competent. Certainly far from the worst. But he's no genius, or the sort of unmatched savant that his completely unconditional fans paint him out to be. And it is this opinion ,along with Joe Lewis being an utterly useless tax exile paperweight, that has caused no end of trouble across a hundred threads and eight years here. :p


    I think that's what @Jurgen the German was referring to (if I understand him correctly)- the unconditional, unquestioning support that Levy gets, which is a bit weird when compared to chairmen that actually win things and don't do the sorts of things we've done during this lockdown. That's all.

    He even acknowledges that Levy's done an excellent job - I wouldn't go nearly as far myself. :p


     
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  3. billyiddo

    billyiddo George Hunt Staff Member

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    @Dubai you should know full well that comparing to clubs abroad in leagues where there are only 1 or 2 established giantsis not an even comparison, much easier to take that final step in Germany when there is only Bayern to contend with or in France where there is PSG, in fact PSG weren't even a concern when Lyon were around, there was no established elite in France. In England there was an established 4 and then City to contend with - that's a level of competition that no club of our level on the continent has had to contend with. Take away 3-4 of the teams above us or dramatically strip back their financial power and then you might begin to have a fair point with your list if teams from abroad, but if you do that consider what we may have achieved over the last 10 years +without so many hurdles to overcome...

    To see where Spurs have grown during the Enic years you need to look at Everton, Villa, Leeds and Newcastle as your comparison points, because they were/are our peers in terms of size/stature - if you still maintain that it is only just competent ownership that puts us where we are in relation to them then i don't think you're arguing in good faith as it's quite clear that all others who tried to do what we do failed.
     
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  4. StephenH

    StephenH David Ginola

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    He's getting a concerted kicking in 'the fail' today!
     
  5. spasm

    spasm Gudni Bergsson

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    some of you should be tied up in a chair and made to watch ramon vega defend on a loop...
     
  6. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Bert Bliss

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    Sorry but your using examples of one horse leagues here so it’s really not the same...
    may as well use a chairman who has taken over a team in the US Soccer League while your at it

    PSG have shown how easy it is to fix a one horse league... they didn’t even have to do much

    atletico is the most pertinent example there though for me as under Poch we had a similar mantra (play my way), were building a new stadium (there one really is poor though having went there for the CL final), and we’re trying to play catch up
    A Difference though was additional investment that they had from China to give them a bump up. Their not a self sufficient side are they? I know they were going bust a weak times including 2011
     
  7. Baleforce

    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    I was very fond of him.
     
  8. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Paul Robinson

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    In my opinion there is a fear of on field success that runs through the club.
    It comes in many forms and in DLs case it is about spending a lot of money with no guarantee of success.
    As long as we can maintain top 5 with good cup runs with CL qualifications every other year and have balanced books DL will be happy. His fear I imagine is that a dose of success goes to people's head, and as expensive as it is to win trophies, it's even more expensive to keep winning trophies.

    All purely my opinion and tbh I have no real beef with that.
     
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  9. Parklaner81

    Parklaner81 Steve Hodge

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    Me too. I used to think his name sounded so cool and exotic...

    ...I should add that the fascination wore off pretty quickly after seeing him play.
     
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    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    Between the incompetence were periods of decent form, he was equally as dangerous in the opponents box.
     
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    Parklaner81 Steve Hodge

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    Going off at a tangent, weren't about two-thirds of our squad permanently injured during that era...?
     
  12. Baleforce

    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    I can’t remember a time when that wasn’t the case, although there have been plenty of periods when two-thirds of the squad have equated to the one good player.
     
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    Parklaner81 Steve Hodge

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    I seem to remember it suddenly becoming 'a thing' in the early-mid 90's. Prior to that time we had smaller squads, and might have one or two players injured at a time, but would fairly often be at full strength. Then squads ballooned in size, and suddenly everyone was injured all the time. Sheringham and Anderton were trailblazers for the trend as I recall, and the former's almost season-long injury in 93/94 was so painful for me at the time as an enthusiastic relative youngster...
     
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    Baleforce Micky Hazard

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    I think before that players were still injured but also constantly hungover so didn’t realise.
     
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    spitshine Sebastien Bassong

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    We hold the players here in very high regard here something that is not universally acknowledged across the world.
     
  16. NickTB

    NickTB Jose Dominguez

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    Furlough decision reversed
     
  17. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment John Lacy

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    I'd agree the comparison with Bournemouth is a much fairer one. It was at best unfortunate and at worst ridiculous to compare us with Cheatlski.

    If Abramovitch was able to command loyalty it was because he had the wherewithal in the first place to cheat his way to instant success. He got in before FFP pulled up the drawbridge. That's the reason I scorn any comparison with that brickhole.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Bert Bliss

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    Yep
    Wonder if their is some kind of agreement going on with the players behind the scenes
    Just directors taking pay cuts
     
  19. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    Must be the players too - directors couldn't cover everyone else's wages for long.
     
  20. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Pedro Mendes

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    Right decision to ensure staff have 100%.
    Wrong decision (imo) to back out of using the government furlough scheme.
     
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