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Dalian Atkinson Dead.

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Gilzeantoscore, 15 Aug 2016.

  1. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc John Lacy

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    Wait till we track you down.
     
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  2. AuroRaman

    AuroRaman Jermaine Jenas

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    Another example of white privilege ;)
     
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    Rorschach Tony Galvin

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    It's only a matter of time.
     
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  4. Raziel

    Raziel Les Ferdinand

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    Different discussion, and the challenges people/society faces

    - You want better cops, you probably need to be more selective on hiring, spend more on training and pay.
    - And yep, probably cost more short term.
     
  5. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    Then you don't get voted in and you don't get to implement your plans!
     
  6. Seedy Ron

    Seedy Ron Paul Stalteri

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    You could volunteer to be a moving target for the taser training Scara. Costs you nowt in taxes, helps the police improve and fixes this issue of you never having been zapped.

    Win, win, win.
     
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  7. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc John Lacy

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    We could sponsor him, I'm sure we could raise a few thousand.
     
  8. Raziel

    Raziel Les Ferdinand

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    Not disagreeing mate, I do however find it amazing that politicians

    - Can never find money for policing, education, healthcare, stuff that actually makes a difference for people ..
    - But somehow can find for tax breaks/shelters for large corporations, stupid military projects and list goes on ..

    Anyway .. thread hijack ..
     
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  9. Bullet

    Bullet Tom Huddlestone

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    We don't need to wait to see how much tosh you are talking, you already talked it. Spoke it. Said it. Talkerised it.

    You said "if Atkinson was stumbling around looking like he was either tinkled or stoned, I would suggest that he did not need an immediate tasering"

    You forgot to mention he is a big bloke, off his rocker, shouting that he killed his family and would kill his father, covered in blood etc.

    It would be great if the police tried to restrain people like this by hand, really great. Until they get stabbed in the gizzard. That is natural selection, you can't do the job for 30 years and be nice to everyone, you'll be stabbed in your gizzard every few months by a nutjob. That's why I work in a nice office with nice people. If someone kicks off I will fire a stapler at them.
     
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  10. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Erik Thorstvedt Staff Member

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    Dear me...

    I presume you would continue tasering the 'mighty threat' once down would you? Luverly. Yeah. Stick to that stapler mate...I would suggest that maybe 'taser boy' should be handling one too. Again, my mate has seen countless situations of extreme violence, distress and potential ugliness. He has avoided killing anyone, and trust me, if you heard some of the brick he has had to deal with, you'd be amazed. For the hundreds of thousands of cops who do great work, these knee-jerkers throw a massive spanner in the works. Why can't you just concede that perhaps this bloke got it wrong instead of going on and on about 'tosh-speaking'?
     
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  11. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Paul Robinson

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    The officer that fired the taser didn't know it was going kill the target, that wasn't the intention.
    Are officers supposed to stop and ask for a medical certificate before firing a taser?
    You know what, if you don't want to get tasered don't attempt to murder your father, don't shout in the street that you've murdered all your family.
    Actions have consequences.
     
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    nayenezgani Jimmy Neighbour

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    The argument is that of excessive force. Tasering to immobilise a threat makes sense to most rational people.

    Continuing to use the taser repeatedly and even kick said threat while on the floor is a more questionable behaviour.

    Don't think there's much debate to be had.

    It's just a terribly tragic situation and the job of a police officer can be a terrible one at the best of times. Welcome to the real world.
     
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    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    Didn't that happen or is that just how it was viewed by one eye witness wanting their 15 minutes?

    Tasers don't stop everyone in one hit, are you sure more wasn't needed? What if a kick was actually someone cautiously testing to see if a suspect was playing dead or to turn them over to see if they had a weapon?

    There is an instant assumption amongst certain parts of society that always assume the worst from the police, it's not warranted and it's overwhelmingly inaccurate.
     
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    parklane1 Willie Hall

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    If it was the silly cow who was on the news that i would take little notice of what she said/made up. She said she was to far away to hear what was being shouted but then in the next breath she said she could hear the kicks going into his body.

    I would imagine she wanted to be on TV and probably with a grudge against the police.
     
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    the dza Christian Ziege

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    I don't blame the police if they fire a taser and the person dies -- as another poster said, that's not the intention of using the weapon. But if we give police tasers to use, they will use them and maybe more people will die as a result. IMO, maybe they should review the use of tasers. Up until recently, police used to do their job without them.

    What's wrong with the baton across the legs? (assuming the person is unarmed).
     
  16. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    Do you consider that a good reason not to use them?
     
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    the dza Christian Ziege

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    If people needlessly die, and there is greater potential for needless death the more common their use becomes, then yes I do. Their use has only become more widespread by police since 2008, I don't think society or the criminal world has changed that much since 2008 has it?
     
  18. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    Tasers didn't come about because of a change in society, they came about because of changes in technology.

    People needlessly die because of police car chases - they policed without them once. Should we get rid of police cars?

    What about helicopters? Same thing.
     
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    the dza Christian Ziege

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    A lot has changed since the days of horse and cart, what has changed since 2008 to mean that police can't do their job without tasers? Nothing imo.

    Just because tasers are available to use doesn't mean that they should be used by anybody other than armed response units, which we already have. We already apply that thinking to the use of guns by police, quite rightly.
     
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    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    Nothing changed in the year before and after the use of cars or helicopters. Both kill more people, I suspect, but you wouldn't take either away. At least I hope you wouldn't.

    Tasers are not intended to kill and only do under very unlikely circumstances. They don't need to be in the hands of firearms officers any more than cars or helicopters do.
     

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