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Discussion in 'Randomination' started by markysimmo, 27 Feb 2020.

  1. johnola

    johnola Sergei Rebrov

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    I would fall short of referring to these events as Crime.

    I don’t like liars though and Boris is clearly that.
     
  2. Legohamster

    Legohamster Les Ferdinand

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    Leaders (not just Johnson) took the tinkle from day 1 - look at the meetings like The G7, everyone else had to wear masks except the leaders unless in front of a camera, flying in and out without tests/Quarantine, no limits on numbers - all surrounded by minions masked up and having to follow the rules.
     
  3. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    I don't have any real issues with what they done, how they handled it was awful though.
    To deny it, lie about it and try to get out of it on a technicality is abhorrent.
    If he, or any of them had put their hands up and said, hey we fudged up, i'm sorry and i will try and do better, i would at least had some grudging respect for them.
    But it seems like none of them can ever accept that they should not have to abide by the same laws as the rest of us.
     
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  4. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Paul Stalteri

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    In fairness others caught breaking the rules have resigned. Including the Scottish chief medical officer I believe. Again it's a matter of degree, the risk is not the same with each rule break.. I think to resign on failure to wear a mask is OTT. I am sure that most reasonable people will agree which is why there has not been a massive furore over Sturgeon. However, to travel, gather in a large group or to hold parties shows blatant disregard not only for the rules but also for those who followed the rules.
     
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  5. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    Starmer didn't resign after having his pizza and beer party.
     
  6. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Paul Stalteri

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    Was that deemed unlawful? I believed he was cleared of any wrongdoing by Durham Police. Again not an equivalence with Boris.
     
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  7. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    They're all tacos, they all broke the rules and so did most people. The saddest thing is, the rules and lockdowns probably made little difference anyway.
     
  8. Mikey10

    Mikey10 Simon Davies

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    I have heard this line trotted out a bit recently, usually by those trying to support Johnson as he and his party continue to gaslight the country. It doesn’t reflect my experience at all. Without exception, everyone I know took the rules extremely seriously.
     
  9. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    There's no real comparison in terms of severity of the offence imho, bojo is much the worse. But they would be minor offences if it wasn't for who they are.
    The problem with sturgeon is that she is a serial offender, this is at least the third time (i will return to this), for the last two years she told us every day at every opportunity that masks must be worn. Yet she walked into a shop not only without a mask but not one other single person in that shop has a mask on. Even when she does put hers on no one else does. At the very least she should have walked out of the shop there and then.
    But she didn't, because she is above the law.

    As i say repeat offender, there are stories of her at a birthday party and a ceilidh with masks in short supply.
    The offence imho is trivial, but the flouting of it some is insidious.
     
  10. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    I have no love for johnson, i think some of the rules were ill advised and badly thought out and i followed them in a sensible and cautious manner, and I suspect that is what most of us did.
    I have no problem with him or any other of higher ups bending the rules.
    It is the manner in which they did it, how they have tried to wriggle out of it when caught and the complete lack of humility that rankles with me.
    They don't believe they are accountable, and unfortunately it looks like they are correct.
     
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  11. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Steed Malbranque

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    "Everyone was breaking the rules". Do me a favour. Sickening seeing the brick the Tory MPs come out with to defend him, and the right wing media.
     
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  12. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    Oh i think boris should be in prison. Not for breaking covid rules but for corruption and the waste of public money. A few beers after work is the least of their crimes.
     
  13. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    I'm sure over the two years most people did, but that's not an excuse and certainly not for the people that set the rules.
    You fudge up, own it. Don't act like some cowardly clam and try wriggle out of it.
     
  14. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    The law, not the rules.

    It's quite dangerous for lawmakers to proclaim that laws don't matter anymore.
     
  15. spurspinter1

    spurspinter1 Chris Armstrong

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    The bolded is to Boris what “live, laugh, love” is to Karens, I reckon he’s got it printed in nice font below a picture of the sea.
     
  16. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Paul Stalteri

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    The crucial thing in Boris's case, for me, that makes his position untenable is not simply that he has been fined, or that on one occasion he has "misunderstood" his own legal requirements; it's more that he and at least 50 others in the downing Street machinery have been fined. This is a systemic failure by the people who make the rules and it is aggravated by the fact they may have done so repeatedly. Boris as well as not following the rules himself, was clearly not in control of his staff. If he can't do that during a pandemic, then it shows him to be an incompetent manager and leader. When taken together, one has question his fitness to be in office, and he should resign.
     
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  17. harr1984

    harr1984 Pedro Mendes

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    I have no allegiance to Boris. I don’t know if this is an age thing/ location thing or whatever, but I know plenty who broke the rules. Also there will be plenty of work colleagues etc that are not going to admit they broke rules to fellow colleagues and just other types of situations where people aren’t going to admit to anyone other than those close to them that they didn’t stick to the rules.

    Where I live in Essex, and definitely in London aswell the rules were massively flouted a hell of a lot - whether this is applicable to most other areas I have no idea but by the time second lockdown came, many who were strictly sticking to the rules first time round were not so compliant this time….
     
  18. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Paul Stalteri

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    If you look at analyses conducted by organisations such as ONS the conclusion that compliance rates decreased over time definitely supports what you and I and many other people observed for ourselves that compliance dropped in later lockdowns and also as restrictions were eased towards the end of each lock down period. Nevertheless, compliance was still relatively high throughout the period of the restrictions, (even taking account factors such as age, socio economic group etc).

    Even in the face of the decreasing compliance rates, Boris and his team's failure to follow the rules was still extraordinary in that-

    1) Boris and/or his ministers were holding daily press briefings during which they presented infection and mortality rates and then emphasised the importance of following the rules, bloody hell they were emblazoned on the lecterns from which they delivered their briefings. They can't say their non compliance stemmed from ignorance of the risks.

    2) if the allegations are to be believed they started around the middle of the first lock down, then were repeated at Christmas and also at various leaving dos. And not only Boris but even the head of his COVID taskforce. In other words a repeated and widespread pattern of non compliance.

    3) they made the rules and would only have done so if they believed there were good reasons for them.

    People break rules for all sorts of reasons. But if you are entrusted to be a law maker, a mere member of the public such as myself might reasonably expect that you would only make laws that you believed were crucial to running society. If they are not don't pass them so there is a level playing field.
     
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  19. spurspinter1

    spurspinter1 Chris Armstrong

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    Forget the ONS, @markysimmo made it pretty clear that it was the ethnic minorities who let the side down, who needs stats when you’ve got sweeping generalisations eh?
     
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    SteveAWOL Andy Thompson

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