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Discussion in 'Randomination' started by markysimmo, 27 Feb 2020.

  1. Gazza Dazzla

    Gazza Dazzla Paul Stalteri

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    Where I live in Switzerland they try and mix up the recruits from all different backgrounds, they use it as a way to try and integrate society, not just for discipline. We’ve got a young guy at work who’s just had his entry interview. Seems smart to me.

    you can opt out or get medical dispensation but means you have to pay higher tax until you’re about 35 years old. Guess gives the rich a way out but no systems perfect.
     
  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    That's one way of doing it I suppose. I'm not really interested in giving rich people a way out, there are plenty of rich people of less use to society than some poor ones.

    Maybe an IQ-based system would work better.
     
  3. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Neil Ruddock

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    Who's going to pay for it? What a million extra soldiers? Their wages, equipment etc... How many billions would that cost a year?

    Somehow i don't think you'd be too happy with raised taxes.
     
  4. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    They'll all be menial types, have them work and let them earn their way.

    There's plenty to save from reducing the size of the armed forces too - I bet they'd cost less than those who've been serving for 10 years.
     
  5. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Neil Ruddock

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    We saw in the falklands how conscripts got on against trained soldiers.

    Why not just give them work? Decent training not these 6 week apprenticeships. Pay for hgv training? Or any other skills we need. Why conscription?

    Anyway not the thread for it.
     
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  6. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    I agree with all of those options as long as they're not funded by taxes.

    Pretty much anything would be better than them taking junk degrees from junk universities.

    Edit:

    If someone thought long and hard enough I'm sure they could come up with a school system whereby those who weren't suited to academia could learn trades and those who were could prep for further education. Sounds a little familiar come to think of it.
     
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  7. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Dimitar Berbatov

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  8. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    Hi there, i'm sorry i wasn't able to reply a few days ago as i had intended. I ran out of time at home that evening before i had to travel away to a wedding over the weekend. Got back a few hours ago.

    Anyway, i've tried compile some food for thought from the doctors, scientists i mentioned. Here goes...


    This doctor (Sucharit Bhakdi, Microbiologist) details in part of this video how the process induced by the covid vaccine leads to the body attacking blood cells. the video is at the bottom of this site (which also provides links to the literature papers he sites: https://evidencenotfear.com/proof-t...ative-professor-sucharit-bhakdi-oracle-films/

    Interestingly, another doctor who has said mass vaccination against covid-19 at this time is wrong and dangerous, disagrees with Bhakdi about his points on "herd immunity" having been reached:
    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/response-to-dr-bhakdi


    There is then a doctor from Canada, Dr Byram Birdle, an Associste professor in Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph, who details how peer-reviewed studies suggest the spike proteins induced by the vaccine are not staying in the arm as intended but circulating around the body and accumulating in various organs and the bloodstream. he says this may why heart inflammation, blood clots and other side effects may be occuring in those who've taken the vaccines.
    This interview on a Toronto radio station was what prompted that Factcheck article posted earlier in the thread:
    https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/new-peer-reviewed-study-on-covid-19-vaccines-sugge

    This and a transcript from another video call he had with New Zealand's Covid Plan B group a few months earlier can be found here: https://evidencenotfear.com/tag/dr-byram-bridle/
    Not someone that can be described as an "anti-vaxxer" etc


    Then there is another Doctor from Canada that has raised concerns, Dr Charles Hoffe, and he also says from investigating his own patients post-vaccine that most are showing evidence of their blood clotting. Two videos where he gives the reasons for his view are here:



    https://rumble.com/vjino9-dire-warning-from-dr.-charles-hoffe.html

    This gives a good textuaL outline of what he says:

    "An outspoken B.C. doctor threatened with losing his license is sounding the alarm on “inevitable” damage to blood vessels by the COVID-19 vaccines.

    In a recent online interview, Dr. Charles Hoffe, a family physician of 28 years in Lytton, B.C., offered a grim prognosis for jab recipients.

    “In a single dose of a Moderna vaccine, there are 40 trillion messenger RNA molecules,” Hoffe said. Three-quarters of these molecules leave the arm of the injection, circulate through the bloodstream, and end up in the tiny capillary vessels.

    “These little packages of the genes are absorbed into the cells around the blood vessels of the vascular endothelium. The packages open, the genes are released, your body then gets to work reading these genes and manufacturing trillions and trillions of COVID spike proteins.”

    Hoffe said even though there are 40 trillion mRNA genes, each gene can produce “many, many COVID spike proteins. And the purpose of the spike proteins is that your body recognizes this as a foreign protein and will make antibodies against it so that you’re then protected against COVID.”

    But this antibody response comes at a heavy price, he said.

    “The spike protein…becomes part of the cell wall of ….these cells that line your blood vessels, which are supposed to be smooth so that your blood flows smoothly. Now you have these little spiky bits sticking out,” Hoffe said.

    From here, “blood platelets circulate in your vessels…to detect a damaged vessel and block that vessel to stop bleeding. So when the platelet comes through the capillary, it suddenly hits all these little COVID spikes that are jutting into the inside of the vessel. It is absolutely inevitable that a blood clot will form.”

    Hoffe claimed the clots are “too small and too scattered” to show up on CT scans, angiograms, or MRIs, but are numerous enough to cause damage.

    “There’s some tissues in your body like intestine and liver and kidneys that can regenerate to quite a good degree. But brain and spinal cord and heart muscle and lungs do not. When they’re damaged, it’s permanent, like all these young people who are now getting myocarditis from these shots. They have permanently damaged hearts,” Hoffe said.

    “This is the terrifying concern. And not only is the long-term outlook very grim, but with each successive shot, the damage will add and add and add. It’s going to be cumulative.”

    Hoffe said 10 of his patients who took the jab have shortness of breath or ongoing neurological problems. When he began to see new and lasting issues in post-vaccination patients, he e-mailed local health care providers to say: “This is causing harm, should we be pausing this just to take stock?”

    Hoffe was subsequently forbidden by the College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia to say anything negative about the vaccine, lest he causes “vaccine hesitancy.” He was barred from the local emergency ward, but maintains his family practice.

    In recent weeks, Hoffe has sought patients who have received a COVID shot within the previous four to seven days. He gives them a D-dimer test, which is the only one that will indicate the presence of new clots.

    “So far 62% of them have evidence of clotting, which means that these blood clots are not rare. It means that the majority of people are getting blood clots that they have no idea that they’re even having,” he said.

    Six of Hoffe’s patients have reduced effort tolerance, meaning they can’t work or play as hard as they once were able.

    “Once you block off a significant number of blood vessels through your lungs, your heart is now pumping against a much greater resistance… a condition called pulmonary artery hypertension,” said Hoffe.

    “And the terrifying thing of this is that people with pulmonary artery hypertension usually die of right-sided heart failure within three years. So the huge concern about this mechanism of injury is that these shots are causing permanent damage. And the worst is yet to come.”


    From here: https://westernstandardonline.com/2...found-blood-clots-in-62-of-post-jab-patients/



    Dr Tess Lawrie, Director of the Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd based in Bath gave an interview on radio as to why the vaccine rollout should be stopped: https://www.bitchute.com/video/gJ2r2UNEwiG4/
    or here (between 21 mins and 36mins, where she at the beginning mentions the origins of the UK Yellow Card vaccine adverse reaction reporting system having started from the Thalidomide scandal some decades back):

    She has also written two open letters to the UK's medicine's regular (the MHRA) asking for a pause in the vaccine rollout given the figures of adverse reaction reports from the UK Yellow Reporting scheme as her reasons:

    https://ukfreedomproject.org/wp-con...inary Report of Yellow Card Data 9-6-2021.pdf

    Follow-up letter given the response from the MHRA is available here: https://ukfreedomproject.org/wp-con...rt-to-mhra-from-dr-tess-lawrie-09-08-2021.pdf


    This is an interesting video between 3 people involved in various ways in the scientific arena, including Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology where again they rais concerns about the spike protein and adverse reactions (as well as what they seem to suggest is inaction/neglegence on the part of the FDA in the USA): https://brandnewtube.com/watch/spik...ve-kirsch-bret-weinstein_YSTb1z6QpSsZj8g.html

    The full THREE HOUR discussion if you can stomach it is here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/SjOH3w7AVXFq/ (warning: Kirsch can be very annoying/domineering at times...)


    Bare in mind that two of the scientists mentioned above (Dr Geert Vanden bossche and Dr Robert Malone) are people who have seemingly been labelled "anti-vaxxers" even though they have made a living developing and/or selling vaccines!

    Anyway, hopefully that's enough Science for now lol
     
  9. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    Sorry...have done a decent chunk now...
     
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  11. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    Lolololol, this "Full Fact" video is desperate nonsense...When they keep saying "there's no evidence that x or y" then i know it's desperation (usually they'll go for the jugular with a definitive "this is wrong because" etc).

    There is no point to the Yellow Card reporting if it cannot be used as 'evidence' of patterns in adverse reactions to vaccinations. In fact the way numbers of Covid deaths are reported, i.e. where death is for ANY REASON and occurs "within 28 days of a covid positive" test is much more 'flimsy'.

    The UK Government themselves expected a "High number of adverse reactions" to the jab rollout given the tender THE MHRA THEMSELVES put out: https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML

    Maybe FullFact will next say "There is no evidence that the UK Government expected that there would be a high number of adverse reactions as a result of the covid-19 jab rollout" :D
     
  12. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Pedro Mendes

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    .

    The Thomson Reuters Foundation is the charitable organisation originally set up by Reuters many years ago. It’s nothing to do with the operation of Reuters News as such although there is Board crossover.
    When the Thomson Corporation acquired Reuters Plc back in 2008, (Reuters News being a small part of the overall organisation albeit the one that people outside of the Finance industry were generally aware of) the independence of Reuters News and ongoing adherence to the Reuters Editorial Principals was a key and critical part of the deal. I’d say Reuters is one a few sources that can still be trusted for their journalistic integrity.
    The fact that Jim Smith, now no longer heading up Thomson Reuters, has a non exec directorship on the Pfizer board doesn’t mean he is suddenly going to be wielding influence over Reuters Editorial content.
     
  13. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ricky Villa Staff Member

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    The clue is in the term "non exec"
     
  14. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Allan Nielsen

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    anti vaxxers blow my mind.

    up there with Flat Earthers.
     
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  15. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Dimitar Berbatov

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    monkeybarry Pedro Mendes

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    That's a smart idea.
     
  17. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Neil Ruddock

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    Ok, actually went through some of the sites and the names. Most were covid deniers, thinking it's all a hoax. (At least last year).

    You sure you want to be getting your views from them?

    Does beg the question though, if the virus is not real, how can a spike protein from this fake virus cause damage to the body?
     
  18. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Neil Ruddock

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    Why israeli vaccination rates stagnated.

     
  19. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Les Ferdinand

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    Eh??
    Which person on that list is a 'covid denier'? Are you conflating 'covid deniers' with 'lockdown skeptics' here?

    As you say, you cannot go into the science of the spike protein, the basis of science of how mRNA/RNA vaccines have been attempted to be developed up to now and believe there is no virus.

    I totally see how one can be very much up on the science of the spike proteins and believe that the general response by many governments has been overly heavy handed and often dystopian though. I suspect all the people you believe are 'covid deniers' actually fall into this group. Happy for you to prove me wrong though.

    Recent articles in the UK also give me reason to believe that there well may be something to their concerns:

    https://web.archive.org/web/2021092.../24/analysis-thousands-usual-dying-not-covid/

    "While focus remains firmly fixed on Covid-19, a second health crisis is quietly emerging in Britain. Since the beginning of July, there have been thousands of excess deaths that were not caused by coronavirus.

    According to health experts, this is highly unusual for the summer. Although excess deaths are expected during the winter months, when cold weather and seasonal infections combine to place pressure on the NHS, summer generally sees a lull.

    This year is a worrying outlier.

    According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), since July 2 there have been 9,619 excess deaths in England and Wales, of which 48 per cent (4,635) were not caused by Covid-19.

    So if all these extra people are not dying from coronavirus, what is killing them?

    Data from Public Health England (PHE) shows that during that period there were 2,103 extra death registrations with ischemic heart disease, 1,552 with heart failure, as well as an extra 760 deaths with cerebrovascular diseases such as stroke and aneurysm and 3,915 with other circulatory diseases.

    Acute and chronic respiratory infections were also up with 3,416 more mentions on death certificates than expected since the start of July, while there have been 1,234 extra urinary system disease deaths, 324 with cirrhosis and liver disease and 1,905 with diabetes.


    Alarmingly, many of these conditions saw the biggest drops in diagnosis in 2020, as the NHS struggled to cope with the pandemic."


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mystery-rise-in-heart-attacks-from-blocked-arteries-m253drrnf

    "Health experts have been left baffled by a big rise in a common and potentially fatal type of heart attack in the west of Scotland.
    During the summer there was a 25 per cent rise in the number of people rushed to the Golden Jubilee National Hospital in Clydebank with partially blocked arteries cutting blood supply to the heart.
    Typically the centre, which is the largest of its kind in the UK and treats people from five health board areas, receives 240 patients a month suffering with this form of heart attack, but this rose to more than 300 over May, June and July of this year. Doctors have searched for a pattern among patients to determine if less access to health checks in the pandemic or a history of Covid-19 infection may explain it but have found no obvious trend."
     
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  20. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Dimitar Berbatov

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    1. Covid IS causing the excess deaths

    2. The heart attacks data - up from 240 to 300 a month in just one part of Scotland…it’s hardly evidence is it…


    Use your head man! Or maybe not being vaccinated has affected your ability to be rational?


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