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Coronavirus

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by markysimmo, 27 Feb 2020.

  1. Mikey10

    Mikey10 Ruel Fox

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    I’d say when even The Telegraph are asking questions there’s probably answers to be sought.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/12/gps-leading-way-covid-vaccine-rollout-forced-slow/
     
  2. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Dean Richards

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    There are a number of reasons that "rules" are being broken, wilfulness just one of them. But the support for low paid workers is so poor that many are avoiding tests or not self isolating and going to work. There are also too many children in primary schools which is meaning it is difficult for those remaining at home to receive online classes.

    The government needs to provide accessible financial support the low paid, in front line jobs who spread the virus rather than handing out lucrative public sector contracts to friends and party donors.
     
  3. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    Looks like the new strain has taken hold in Ireland and Merseyside...



     
  4. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    Almost 30 million people vaccinated globally, hopefully the rate will continue to accelerate before further mutations render currently manufactured doses ineffective...

     
  5. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    Without a shadow of a doubt the are, and when they review the newspapers at 11.30 on sky news, the headline on the daily mail is often very critical of the government and again with good reason. But the is a perceptible tone in the language of certain organisations and people's that would clearly not be there if it was aimed at other countries.

    This is not me being patriotic as I genuinely hold no stead by that. Rarely watch England play and only do so to check none of our players got injured.
     
  6. Mikey10

    Mikey10 Ruel Fox

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    Totally agree. Patel spent her press conference yesterday trying to imply that the death rate right now is because of people breaking the rules at the moment, when it’s the government’s terrible messaging and failure to take the right steps through December that we are paying the price for now. The people who caught the virus then are the ones dying now.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vic Buckingham

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    They have done that haven’t?
    i mean they have offered and have given out financial support
    They also have given out contracts that’s are lucrative to numerous organisations.. some in a Shockingly bad way too
     
  8. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Dean Richards

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    The system is convoluted and difficult to claim for and many low paid do not qualify for stat sick pay unfortunately.
     
  9. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    A couple of friends were on placement in Brazil but thankfully managed to persuade boss to let them return to UK, for as bad as Boris is he’s thankfully no Bolsonaro.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/10/brazil-covid-coronavirus-party-deaths-200-000



     
  10. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Richard Gough

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    Don't know who needs to hear this, but as many scientists said back in March time of last year, herd immunity for many viruses etc can only happen through vaccination.
     
  11. tommysvr

    tommysvr Didier Zokora

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    I don’t know if this is the right thread for this, but will post here any way.

    Pretty much all politicians are clams. We have some proper knobheads in Australia. But fudge me I feel sorry for you lot that this is what you’ve got. Genuinely wish we could rid the earth of scum like this.

     
  12. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    I've just read the article linked above your post by @SteveAWOL and they've managed to find one case of reinfection so far. Given the numbers involved that's not a major risk.
     
  13. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Richard Gough

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    totally, but you need 60-70% to get it to achieve herd immunity. so in the UK you're looking at 45m roughly. So either let 45m get covid or go via vaccination to reach herd immunity.

    Interestingly, my friend in the US took an antibody test (had COVID asymptomatic earlier in year) and apparently no longer has antibodies a year later. No idea what that means in reality, tests could be brick, he could be at risk, maybe he isn't. Interesting though.
     
  14. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    That's how antibodies always work - there have been a few taking advantage of the publicity a report on declining antibodies creates but it's not news and it shouldn't be scary.

    I detail how the body deals with fighting a virus earlier in this thread and it's the best way it's been explained to me. Think of a virus as a particular type of enemy tank for which we have no useful method of attack. Once we encounter it, we develop a new type of shell that can destroy the tank and start manufacturing them in large quantities. We win the war and the tanks go away. Over time, we allow the supply of shells (antibodies) to decline as we don't want all of our munitions dumps full of shells we're not using. We do, however keep the machines and moulds (B cells) for quickly remaking a supply of those shells should we ever spot that type of tank on the horizon.

    A test for antibodies doesn't really tell us much - antibodies decline over time as otherwise (again, explained to me by someone who does this for a living) our blood would just be a gloop of antibodies. Testing for the B and T cells will tell us much more - that's what makes us immune over the longer term, and there's no good reason to think this virus is any different.

    I'd like to be clear, I'm very much in support of mass vaccination - it's absolutely vital the the health of any population to have a strong vaccination programme in place. In the absence of vaccinations, "natural" immunity (quoted because vaccinated immunity is also natural) is the only other form of long term protection.
     
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    DTA Didier Zokora

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    That is a good way to explain it. What would you say is the reason for the few cases of re-infection?
     
  16. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    Diamond Lights Richard Gough

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    finally looks like 24/7 vaccinations might be happening.

    Astrazeneca have said they're close to hitting 2m vaccines a week, we absolutely HAVE to be sticking 2m needles in people's arms a week. For once i hope this fudgewit of a government can get something right.
     
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    djp82 Gudni Bergsson

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    These sorts of treatment are equally if not more important than vaccine. I hope more company’s are trying to develop therapeutics moving forward. As we see with flu , even after elderly get the jab they can still get flu so I’m assuming Covid will be the same/Similar.

    So the more tools we have to treat it the better.
     
  19. scaramanga

    scaramanga Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    Biology is inherently unpredictable. Some people cannot properly build immunity, some people's bodies just build it wrong.

    One of the major benefits of herd immunity (by whichever method it's achieved) is that it protects these people.
     
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  20. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Ian Walker

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    If only...

     
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