LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Ahahaha yes it was. I remember after the Arse 4 4 how badly he got ripped on here lol
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Would relegation be that bad?
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Ahahaha yes it was. I remember after the Arse 4 4 how badly he got ripped on here lol
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It was more the corruption stench. I'd read this fairly close to us appointing him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Dreams:_Vanity,_Greed_and_the_Souring_of_British_Football
parklane1
Teddy Sheringham
Bent as a nine bob note [was rent a quote].
Eriktheviking
Pascal Chimbonda
Depends on your definition of painful. I don’t think we can rebuild from relegation. We would need a team that can compete in the championship and that is a very different team to one that can survive in the premiership and build on. I think we would need to rebuild want to get us out of the championship and another to keep us in the premiership the following season. Both are absolutely not givens.
We made an odd the decision not to bringing bodies in January, irrespective of long-term ability, strange by the board. Get sterling in whatever it costs, get others in whatever it costs, even just for a six month load to be able to rest players and make sure we’re going into each game good players are not in the red zone.
You can have all the money in the world but getting a championship winning team together and simulated with a new manager in three months of the season ending is a massive undertaking. I was saying earlier today to colleagues that is slightly easier for teams like Leeds Southampton Ipswich at all because if they get relegated, they will keep a 70% of their players and the players they have got know how to get out of the championship and is used to it.
Welshspur60
Michael Brown
Only Romero, VDV, Kudus, maybe Porro and Bergvall would interest any PL teams i would suggest. We will be stuck with a lot of players on big wages. At least we should be competitive in the Championship.
Gallagher & Xavi. Teams would want Gray as well.
Eriktheviking
Pascal Chimbonda
Didn’t say Premier League, could be any league. Vicarious and Radu would go to Italy. Spence, England international who has done well would have suitors. As would Kulu, Madison, Danso, Ricky (Brazil no.9.) and Starr.
They all go or push for a move and we are in bits.
Welshspur60
Michael Brown
Id expect all 3 to stay though.
Welshspur60
Michael Brown
Id be amazed if Madders, Kulu and even Sarr left. The former 2 will have been out for a whole season, and Sarr hasnt set the world alight. Danso wouldnt be sold either. Agree with the rest.
Muttley
Mauricio Taricco
What's the situation with parachute payments nowadays?
Spurs (Levy and co) have a done a load of work over the years to change the ratio of the PL monies as compared to all the other incomes. We'd surely have to remodel our finances based on only a single year in the Championship. Then as that season unfolds we'd only have to remodel it again based on not getting promoted.
Be interesting to see what people think the real financial impact would be. If it is, say £100m, then that is us selling 2 players and keeping the rest together.
Spurs (Levy and co) have a done a load of work over the years to change the ratio of the PL monies as compared to all the other incomes. We'd surely have to remodel our finances based on only a single year in the Championship. Then as that season unfolds we'd only have to remodel it again based on not getting promoted.
Be interesting to see what people think the real financial impact would be. If it is, say £100m, then that is us selling 2 players and keeping the rest together.
I guess the impact would be loss in prize money for PL position and shortfall in gate recipients.
Eriktheviking
Pascal Chimbonda
Respectfully, those players are high level full internationals; they are not playing Championship football.
The club can resist selling as much as it wants, players will force a move.
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
In answer to the question, yes it would be. It’d be catastrophic. Financially, reputationally. On every level pretty much. Maybe it’d be fun to go visit new grounds but that novelty would wear off very quickly.
It’s mind boggling to me where we are. Unimaginable 2 years ago. We are now in a position where we are desperate to win 3-4 games to avoid relegation. We do that and the prize is mid table obscurity. That’s what we’re desperate for now. That which was so unacceptable in the 90s that we forced Sugar out. That’s now the prize for Tottenham. The 20 years of good work since Martin Jol (well 15 years with a steady decline) have all gone and we’re now fighting a fight we are ill equipped and ill prepared for.
If we go down, it’ll be a case study of how not to run a club. Swinging from one style of manager to another, allowing players to behave as they like, signing no one in a window when we barely had a first eleven and sticking with a manager who is deeply unpopular and a terrible fit for the club.
We need 3 points tonight. Lose and the board have to act or relegation becomes a real, very real possibility. A draw may be the worst result because that doesn’t helps us much and makes it difficult to fire Frank.
It’s mind boggling to me where we are. Unimaginable 2 years ago. We are now in a position where we are desperate to win 3-4 games to avoid relegation. We do that and the prize is mid table obscurity. That’s what we’re desperate for now. That which was so unacceptable in the 90s that we forced Sugar out. That’s now the prize for Tottenham. The 20 years of good work since Martin Jol (well 15 years with a steady decline) have all gone and we’re now fighting a fight we are ill equipped and ill prepared for.
If we go down, it’ll be a case study of how not to run a club. Swinging from one style of manager to another, allowing players to behave as they like, signing no one in a window when we barely had a first eleven and sticking with a manager who is deeply unpopular and a terrible fit for the club.
We need 3 points tonight. Lose and the board have to act or relegation becomes a real, very real possibility. A draw may be the worst result because that doesn’t helps us much and makes it difficult to fire Frank.
Muttley
Mauricio Taricco
I looked here (https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...k-to-the-premier-league-makes-the-rich-richer)
Parachute is about 55% apparently. I think we'd be on about £180m from the PL at this point. So we'd lose £80m just there. I reckon with the other components (e.g. gate receipts) we'd be more than my original estimate of £100m.
Unmitigated disaster time.
Xavi would not.
Gazza
Paul Robinson
We have sleep walked into this position and we deserve what we get. It’s amazing how many view that the supporters have but none of us agree with how this club is being run, even when it’s blatantly obvious where our misgivings are.
I’m long in the tooth to know that this situation will is not a surprise but an inevitability.
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
Took the day off to come to the game today quite optimistic of a result so listened to some of the Spurs podcasts on the way. I’m a lot less optimistic now. We’re in a fudging doom spiral listening to our fan base. Won’t take much to set us off tonight id expect.
The players and manager have been hung out to dry by the ownership. Well and truly and we’re now relying on a lame duck manager and decimated squad to get us out of trouble.
Probably shows the power of media in this day and age but I’m very worried.
This is some lose maths. While we’re getting a huge parachute payment the issue will be that our expenditure on just the the club as it is today ia so much higher than all other teams in the league we would need to sell a few players on big wages to be breaking even.
Projected Revenues 2025/2026
- Domestic TV Prize: $175M
- UEFA TV & Prize: $75M
- Matchday: $150M
- Commercial: $250M
Projected Revenues 2025/2026
- Domestic TV & Prize: £20M
- Year 1 Parachute Payment : $80M
- Matchday: $75M
- Commercial: $125M
Expenditure
- Player wage bill £125M
- Coaching, Medical, Academy £50M
- General Staff wages £50M
- Owed Transfer fees £100M
- Additional running costs £125M
- Loan repayments £50M
Estimated Loss: £150,000,000
Muttley
Mauricio Taricco
lol - what I was doing is called leadership. Some would call it lazy delegation
I knew it was absolutely loose work. Good enough for government work as we used to say.
On a serious note, I had shifted from £100m closer to £150m just on reading a couple of articles. I didn't have the time to do any analysis but really appreciate someone digging around for the data. Thanks for that. It's an interesting read and feels about right.
What we're talking about is the real conversation about the relegation concern. It's not whether Romero goes to Spain or stays. It's more about how we would hold things together and manage the downsize at the same time as being competitive. There is no scenario where relegation could be a good thing and a chance to do a reset. Your numbers almost prove it could take years to recover.