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Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

Bishop said:
You might not agree because his views align with yours largely but even you have to admit he's being hypocritical.
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Nope.
I'll explain...I have an increasingly massive issue with the use of that word 'hypocrisy. Especially as you've deployed it here.
You said...
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This is rich coming from you considering all the excuses you made and continue to make about the terrible football we played under Ange. 🤣

Either accept that there can be mitigation for the quality of the football and the results or be like me and accept no excuses. You can't decide to makes excuses for one guy and not the other. That's hypocrisy."

I'm sorry, what you've said there is rubbish. You really think YOUR definition of the 'rules of opinion' get to define hypocrisy? What you're essentially saying is that we accept mitigation for poor results/football across the board or we don't.
Nope.
I said from early in the season I had little time being patient for a manager who to my eye was only interested in perfecting the art of Frankball/horseshoe creation. I was repeatedly told I should be patient and give Frank time. Why? I did NOT like the style of football and I did NOT see any desire from him to take even a small risk (this was during times when he was only missing Maddison and Deki, players who would've found his system a bit limiting IMO).
I enjoyed the intent Ange showed with his football. I also enjoyed watching him actually practice pragmatism to get us across the line and win a European trophy.
I liked his intended direction of traffic from the start. I disliked Frank's.
That absolutely does NOT make someone (or me) a 'hypocrite'.

I am more than ready to admit to hypocrisy on other levels and in other areas. Everyone should. Listen to the podcast (genuinely interesting as a philosophical/behavioral conversation).
 
Baleforce said:
When Steve Jobs came back to Apple he did exactly that, went on stage, said Apple didn't need to compete with Microsoft and that he was going to screw developers for a couple of years because the platform needed a huge overhaul. Look where Apple is now.

You can't fix a problem if you deny it exists.
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Tottenham Hotspur FC is not a tech company. In fact, that is a massive part of the problem, someone somewhere forget to remind our owners that there's a football club in and amongst the business too. Furthermore, are you genuinely comparing Steve Jobs to Thomas Frank? If Jobbsy was alive I suspect even HE'D have done a better job as our manager!!!
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
People don't seemingly want to face up to truths about Spurs at times. Everyone thinks its just a click of the manager fingers and its sorted. The issues that existed before exist still, you have to hope RDZ gets the players he needs or he will soon be in pressers telling truths himself
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In order to reach that conclusion, it has to be a holistic overview. Were there problems? Absolutely. I think Venkatesham is right when he says we needed to bring ourselves up to speed, I get that. The timing? Not so much, regardless, I admit that the way we were run versus the way modern clubs are run needed/needs switching.
The biggest issues were not paying proper wages for players, timing of transfers, inability to close deals for those reasons, and maybe biggest of all, injuries.

I agree on all that. And the potential for De Zerbi to go south if we don't go north for him.
However, he has shown a direction, intent, energy and public face of unity, belief and respect for the club which I have not seen since Poch. THAT is a massive thing to have done.
 
billyiddo said:
Destroying the confidence of a team that were losing to all and sundry and ended up on 38 points is a great bit of rage bait
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It's only rage baiting for you perhaps mate...and a few others here. Most of recognise people who have been c-unted off by a middling manager who was not up to the task from the get-go.
 
Baleforce said:
they should have been fudging scared, they had been losing every week for a year and a half when Frank showed up...with a new plan and deployment about how to stop the other team without remotely focussing on playing/creating our own chances beyond anything other than a hoof upfield or across
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Fixed.
 
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