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Transfer thread

So many drama queens.
Please tell me who had a better transfer window than us, and before you say City, neither of those players would choose us even if we offered more money than City.
 
It’s a tough one and I can see both sides.

Do we sign short term players that we may not need when current players return. And then we’ve used our funds that could have been held for summer and spent on ‘better’ targets.

Squad is going to be bloated as it is next season with likely no Europe.

The only thing I don’t like is the selling of Johnson with no back up ready. We’re told clubs don’t sell in the January window unless they have a replacement sorted - but we did.

This sums it up nicely.


No histrionics necessary. We did okay signing a much needed midfielder. Bissouma back in the fold is like a loan signing and helps too. A promising LB. Fine.

That said, there are two criticisms I think the club would accept.

1. we came into this window with a left winger a clear priority. Injuries muddied the water but we needed more quality on the wing. What did we do? Sell a winger 😂

We didn’t sell early at a high price; or make Palace wait until we were ready with a replacement. We could speculate that we had something lined up with Savinho who then got injured…or our priorities changed as Tel, Odobert and Simons started to bed in a little. But make no mistake we are short. We don’t have attacking subs or any cover for further injuries.

2. The club pushing the line we’ve got cash to spend just increases expectation. Better to dampen expectations and surprise fans, or if deals don’t come off (hard in Jan), you don’t look a mug.


For me, I am okay watching developing attackers getting time and starting to gel. It’s a lot of pressure on a few players and they could do with more support. I’d like to see Moore recalled. He may not have an opening like this in the future, and can really help the side and add depth. If only coming on for the last 10-15, he’s capable of making an impact.
 
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So many drama queens.
Please tell me who had a better transfer window than us, and before you say City, neither of those players would choose us even if we offered more money than City.

Name a team that had a better transfer window than us....but you cannot name the team that did have a better transfer window.
 
Davies and Bissouma are out of contract at end of season
RKM & Palhinha are loans
Bentancur, Richi, Vic & Dragusin (last two pushing) are all in the "for sale" group, the manager doesn't rate Kinsky or Tel

So all of a sudden your 27, is actually 19 if not smaller.

There would have been zero issues adding 1 or 2 senior players to the squad.

Nah, it's not all of a sudden. You have to find new homes for those 6 players and that could take an entire summer, if not longer. We might of course offer Palhinha a contract as well, adding one back. Then you take a pretty large group of younger players that were put out on loan this season and will be looking for a squad place. Are we saying absolutely none of them will make next season's squad? That would be quite disappointing.

Of course there is always space for elite players in our squad in the transfer market. Agree with you on that one. However, if that level player is not available in a January window then I'm quite happy we sat on our wallet. I might be wrong but I only really saw one genuinely big transfer in this window and that was Semenyo. I think that may talk a lot to the market and why Spurs transfers of Gallagher and Johnson were probably in the top 5 or 6. I'm not sure what happened in the rest of Europe and what elite players we may have missed out on though.
 
I think that the Lewis Children probably had this expectation, that may have even been sold to them by Vinai, that the club was only missing out on key targets and signing marquee players because of Levy's haggling. And to be fair they saw that first hand with the Eze deal in the Summer. But I don't think they realise the way the club is viewed by the rest of football.

We may sit in a pool of clubs that's only a tier below the true super clubs but in terms of revenues and we match them in terms of facilities and stadium etc. But were just not on a par with these clubs. Given the choice between ourselves and the other "top 6" we are firmly 6th and if were being honest Gallagher only chose us over Villa because we offered more money and stronger guarantee of games.

In the Summer of the back of winning Europa, hiring Frank who was viewed more positively at the time we also had more pull. Eze would have come if Arsenal did not hijack. MGW would have come if he didn't get forced into signing a new contract. We got Xavi Simons of the line. I doubt any of them would even entertain conversations with us now sitting in 15th and with a manager thats at risk of the sack.

I don't doubt they would have been prepared to pay the release clause for Semenyo and make him one of the highest paid players at the club. They may have even done the same deal City did for Guehi. But we are effectively in the dame position as a Emirates Marketing Project were when they got taken over. If we want marquee players to join the club, and to do so in January, we have to be prepared to outbid and pay significantly more wages than other clubs.

If we want Wharton and we are head to head with Liverpool, we have to offer Palace £100M if Liverpool are prepared to bid £80M. If RB Leipzig want £100M for Diomande we have to take the plunge. And I understand the ramifications of the club over paying in tranfer fees and wages, but the only other alternative is to stick to their guns on the buying young players and developing model and hoping that in 2/3 years the bulk of them have come good.
 
So one team on cheat mode we can't compete with. Time to lose our brick obviously.

We can pretty much compete with them though. Our revenue without Champions League football was about 77% of Emirates Marketing Project’s. Add in getting to the last 16 of the Champions league and going no further and we will be at 93%.

Even if you take into account the artificially inflated sponsorship deals the only reason City make more money than us is because they do better on the pitch.
 
I think that the Lewis Children probably had this expectation, that may have even been sold to them by Vinai, that the club was only missing out on key targets and signing marquee players because of Levy's haggling. And to be fair they saw that first hand with the Eze deal in the Summer. But I don't think they realise the way the club is viewed by the rest of football.

We may sit in a pool of clubs that's only a tier below the true super clubs but in terms of revenues and we match them in terms of facilities and stadium etc. But were just not on a par with these clubs. Given the choice between ourselves and the other "top 6" we are firmly 6th and if were being honest Gallagher only chose us over Villa because we offered more money and stronger guarantee of games.

In the Summer of the back of winning Europa, hiring Frank who was viewed more positively at the time we also had more pull. Eze would have come if Arsenal did not hijack. MGW would have come if he didn't get forced into signing a new contract. We got Xavi Simons of the line. I doubt any of them would even entertain conversations with us now sitting in 15th and with a manager thats at risk of the sack.

I don't doubt they would have been prepared to pay the release clause for Semenyo and make him one of the highest paid players at the club. They may have even done the same deal City did for Guehi. But we are effectively in the dame position as a Emirates Marketing Project were when they got taken over. If we want marquee players to join the club, and to do so in January, we have to be prepared to outbid and pay significantly more wages than other clubs.

If we want Wharton and we are head to head with Liverpool, we have to offer Palace £100M if Liverpool are prepared to bid £80M. If RB Leipzig want £100M for Diomande we have to take the plunge. And I understand the ramifications of the club over paying in tranfer fees and wages, but the only other alternative is to stick to their guns on the buying young players and developing model and hoping that in 2/3 years the bulk of them have come good.

While the pecking order is real, if they believe like you there, that brick like Eze was on Levy, we are truly screwed. Eze and MGW are not on Levy, and it's been covered too many times to go through again. Could we have bought Semenyo last summer, or Guehi, or Wharton the summer before? sure, but who was calling the shots about spend/wages?

Said it before, yes we need to spend money, but Munn/Lange are as big of a problem as money - > Vic, Udogie, Porro, VDV, Romero, Danso, Palhinha, Sarr, Bergvall, Gallagher, Bentancur, Deki, all current players bought from Europe, all under 50M, all happy to come to Spurs. On the other side Johnson, Richi, Solanke all above 50M, even Gray was 40M+. Yes if you can find a Semenyo/Mbeumo that is willing to come or you are willing to overpay for, go, but the next level down is often beaten by good buys from clubs on the continent
 
We can pretty much compete with them though. Our revenue without Champions League football was about 77% of Emirates Marketing Project’s. Add in getting to the last 16 of the Champions league and going no further and we will be at 93%.

Even if you take into account the artificially inflated sponsorship deals the only reason City make more money than us is because they do better on the pitch.
City are a team that are considered to be in contention of winning every trophy. Tottenham are not. We cannot compete with Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea, and they can't compete with City. You are living in cloud cuckoo land. GHod knows what sort of kickbacks their employees are getting outside the rules.
 
While the pecking order is real, if they believe like you there, that brick like Eze was on Levy, we are truly screwed. Eze and MGW are not on Levy, and it's been covered too many times to go through again. Could we have bought Semenyo last summer, or Guehi, or Wharton the summer before? sure, but who was calling the shots about spend/wages?

Said it before, yes we need to spend money, but Munn/Lange are as big of a problem as money - > Vic, Udogie, Porro, VDV, Romero, Danso, Palhinha, Sarr, Bergvall, Gallagher, Bentancur, Deki, all current players bought from Europe, all under 50M, all happy to come to Spurs. On the other side Johnson, Richi, Solanke all above 50M, even Gray was 40M+. Yes if you can find a Semenyo/Mbeumo that is willing to come or you are willing to overpay for, go, but the next level down is often beaten by good buys from clubs on the continent

I’ve not seen it covered so what’s the theory?

Don’t really understand your later point tbh. What tier of player do you suggest we buy?
 
City are a team that are considered to be in contention of winning every trophy. Tottenham are not. We cannot compete with Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea, and they can't compete with City. You are living in cloud cuckoo land. GHod knows what sort of kickbacks their employees are getting outside the rules.

Purely in financial terms we can compete though. Because of on field success an club reputation, at this point in time we have to be prepared to over pay for quality players to pick us over them.
 
Our cash flow is awful, we Needed to free up some transfer debt, which is about 300 million.

That’s not really the case. What we owe in transfers is higher than most clubs because we spend more than most clubs in spite of what we may thank. But the amount of operating cash we held is no different to most football clubs or business of a similar revenue.

Arsenal as an example only has £23M cash on their books in 2023 and £57M in 2024 and owned £165M in transfer fees. They still went out an commited to spend another £250M this summer. They are largely being financed by Loans from Kronke at 1.5% interest rate. He’s given them £341M as of 2024. This is not unusual though.
 
Davies and Bissouma are out of contract at end of season
RKM & Palhinha are loans
Bentancur, Richi, Vic & Dragusin (last two pushing) are all in the "for sale" group, the manager doesn't rate Kinsky or Tel

So all of a sudden your 27, is actually 19 if not smaller.

There would have been zero issues adding 1 or 2 senior players to the squad.

Agreed that there would be no issue adding 1-2 players.

But medium to long term those would have to be quality players to make sense. Obviously some (small) risk of relegation there, some (small) chance of European football still (more so early in the window). But other than the most catastrophic outcome (relegation) one of the last things we need are fairly expensive players that aren't good enough or suited enough that may be difficult to sell.

Not shocked, because I have even less faith in the club post Levy than with.

But people defending the club can't deny all the talk that was put out by the club, by Vinai's statement, by club mouthpieces, we had money, we were going to invest, we were going to break wage structure. And you buy Gallagher and two kids?

Up to this week, Frank himself said we tried for Semenyo, if you had that kind of money there was no other player in all of Europe? no plan B

It's either incompetence (in action and/or messaging/PR) or strait out lies, pick your poison
Incompetence or lies would be some options.

One factor (of many, not the only reason) is that the January window is difficult.

Another factor of the sheer amount of flux and uncertainty within the club. Frank looked like he could get sacked any day (less so now), Paratici gone/on the way out, DoF situation is up in the air, manager situation up in the air (particularly for next season). Vinai still fairly new to the job, several new board members. That's in some ways just saying incompetence with more words for sure, but those were the conditions going into the window.

Who do we trust to make the call that player X from the continent is the next VdV, not the next Ndombele/Lo Celso? Who is trusted within the club to make that call?

It hasn't been a good window, but if we can avoid a relegation scrap and save the money for the summer (assuming we'll have the DoF situation sorted, clarity on the manager situation) that may end up as a decent decision.
 
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